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Contents 1 Cathedral of Jesus' Heart 2 Dates 3 July 15 DYK 4 Request for assistance 5 Random Smile! 6 Congrats on the new FA 7 Problems 8 The Resilient Barnstar 9 Triple Crown 10 RFC/USER discussion concerning (ThreeE) 11 Medical Center on the Georgetown Banner 12 Florida Atlantic University 13 DC meetup #3 14 Alanya panorama FPC 15 DYK 16 that seems like such arbitrary reasoning 17 Baku 18 Coracesium 19 Spiffier triple crown, new awards available 20 DYK 21 The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue III (November 2007) 22 Georgetown University 23 main page FA 24 Your GA nomination of Virginia 25 On behalf of WikiProject VA 26 Congratulate Me 27 CIA memorial stars 28 RE:Virginia 29 Your copyedit request 30 Why doesn't undo work 31 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Alanya combined logo.png) 32 Invite 33 FA:Alanya 34 DC Meetup on May 17th 35 AfD nomination of Georgetown University Student Association 36 Virginia 37 Virginia Politics 38 Re: Virginia 39 Virginia Politics Section 40 History of Norwich City F.C. FAC 41 NATO

[edit] Cathedral of Jesus' Heart

Second time you're putting link to Coat of arms of Sarajevo (city of Sarajevo is part of Sarajevo Canton. But the design above the door to the Cathedral is part of Coat of arms of Sarajevo Canton which you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sarajevskizastava.png and there is no wikipedia article for this coat of arms. Smooth O 14:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

I've always believed that yyyy-mm-dd is the only acceptable format for dates on here, but not many people tend to agree with me. Finally I've found someone who does :) I say we start a movement to make yyyy-mm-dd the official Wikipedia policy for representing dates (it isn't already, is it?), and try to get enough people involved that it's actually enforced!

Nice work. --Ecksemmess 04:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop changing date formats. Per WP:DATES both are correct here on wiki. --Jklamo 15:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

There is logic behind this. I understand all sorts of formats are acceptable, but the yyyy-mm-dd is the most useful because the output can be set per user preference to display with more flexibility than the "day month" format, since it includes the year into formatting. Second, having translated articles to and from English, that the date format works in all languages, when "day month" needs translating, saves time and keeps the encyclopedia uniform across the commons.--Patrickneil 16:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The general practice across Wikipedia has been to spell out Month Day, Year, rather than YYYY-MM-DD. I'm not sure that it's an official policy (I'd doubt it - formal policies are usually limited in scope), but it does tend to be the general practice. Doing so tends to minimize problems in cross-cultural confusion, in that March is March everywhere. European writers may write Day Month rather than Month Day, but it's easy to understand that 9 March and March 9 are the same thing to everyone. But where Europeans will usually write DD-MM, North Americans will usually write MM-DD. As a result, 3/9 will be read by an American as March 9th and by a European as September 3rd. --DMG413 02:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] July 15 DYK

On 15 July 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andrew White (Missionary), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 16:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for assistance

As someone with whom I have reviewed or worked with on an article or talk page, I humbly request your assistance in reviewing the Aggie Bonfire page for Featured Article status. Any/all constructive input is welcomed and appreciated on the FAC nomination page, but please read the instructions for reviewing before you make a comment. Thanks in advance for your assistance. — BQZip01 — ^talk 05:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Concerns addressed. Please update with strikeouts or comments and thanks for the help! — BQZip01 — ^talk 00:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Will do, but will not strike out (note will be put at the top for those completed items). Review to come soon (My wife just gave birth to our second son and things have been kinda busy here!). I'll get to it soon! — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smile!

-WarthogDemon 22:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats on the new FA

Congratulations!!! I never wanted the article to fail in the first place, but I do want it to represent the best Wikipedia has to offer, as I believe you do. — BQZip01 — ^talk 15:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add my congratulations, too. Great job getting the Georgetown article to FA status! And if you're ever looking for a project, we'd love the help on the Vanderbilt University article. Cheers! Esrever 20:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Great job Patrick! You've Earned it! :) --Ybbor^Talk 23:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

I still have issues with the article and I hope they can be addressed. I will post them here (currently all of my original comments are hidden, please do not erase and I will come back and give you the remaining items. — BQZip01 — ^talk 15:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I see. I hope I can address them. Congrats to you too, by the way!--Patrick 15:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Resilient Barnstar

		The Resilient Barnstar
		For handling a complicated (and ultimately successful!) FAC with patience and civility. And for a truly impressive job researching and writing Georgetown University and all its sub-articles. As this guy might say, "Hoya Saxa!" --JayHenry 01:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triple Crown

Your Majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these three crowns in recognition of your editing achievements. May you wear them well. Durova^Charge! 03:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFC/USER discussion concerning (ThreeE)

Hello, Patrickneil. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning ThreeE's conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by "ThreeE" in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ThreeE, where I would appreciate your participation and comments. — BQZip01 — ^talk 12:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Medical Center on the Georgetown Banner

Hi Pat - thanks for your suggestions. If you think that "Campuses" is the right place to put the Medical Center, then I'll abide by that, but I'm not positive it belongs there. The med ctr incorporates the School of Medicine and the Biomedical Graduate program. The other pages on "campus" seem to be mostly buildings. Maybe we can split it into "Campuses" - GUMC, Law Center, Main Campus, McGhee, Villa la Balze, forthcoming Chinese campus - and "Buildings" for places like New South? What do you think? Thank you again for you patience! Elle121 20:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

We can do that. There are only four buildings, but hopefully will be more in the future. I imagine at some point making the medical center its own row in the template, linking to the hospital, medstar, maybe the cancer center and others. What's this about a Chinese campus? I'll have to check the Hoya.--Patrick Ѻ 20:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The banner looks great! I don't think the University has published anything official yet about the Chinese campus but if I see a release I'll be sure to let you know. Elle121 16:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Florida Atlantic University

I noticed you were one of the primary contributors to the Georgetown University article. I'm having Florida Atlantic University undergo a peer review before taking it to WP:FAC. Since you are familiar with the process I was wondering if you would mind taking a look at the article? If so, please go here to offer any advice/suggestions.

Thanks, KnightLago 01:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DC meetup #3

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This automated notice was delivered to you because you are on the Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Invite. BrownBot 01:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alanya panorama FPC

Hi, I listed your image image:Alanya Panorama.jpg at WP:FPC because I think it represents some of wikipedia's finest work. I really liked the way the image captures all the important points about Alanya. If you'd like to comment, the nom is here. Nice work. By the way, were you thinking of listing Alanya at featured article candidates? It might be close to being ready. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 06:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 12 November 2007, a fact from the article McGhee Center for Eastern Mediterranean Studies, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] that seems like such arbitrary reasoning

on the Georgetown article, and the date is not cited in the history of Georgetown University article, contrary to your claim. For a comparison, check out Harvard University and note that important dates are cited with sources external to Wikipedia.

Furthermore, it seems like an outside attempt at trying to claim that Georgetown is the oldest tertiary educational body in the U.S. by dating it to 1634, oddly close to Harvard's 1636. I'd bet that if you inserted that Harvard can trace its roots to 1629 (the founding of Mass. Colony) it'd be taken down within a day. As it is, no one cares about Georgetown's article enough to be that scrupulous.

So, I'm putting the need for a citation back in until you can provide a more adequate source.

As for WP:Lead:

"The lead must conform to verifiability and other policies. The verifiability policy advises that material likely to be challenged and quotations should be cited...The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations"

So, the date is being challenged. Rather than remove the marker advising the need for a citation, please find a legitimate one.

220.213.123.36 04:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baku

Think this picture of maiden tower is a bit better, [1]

but its mine so I may not be objective. Anyway its your call if it should be on the Baku page or not. --Nbumbic (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coracesium

Patrickneil: As keeper of Alanya, would you be able to help me fix a copyright issue at Coracesium. I loaded the image to the commons but a warning has appeared at Latin Wikipedia. I have had no luck at all with images. Thanks. Wayne's Quicky Lube 20:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spiffier triple crown, new awards available

Hi, I've been sprucing up the triple crown awards. Here's the new version of the standard triple crown you've already earned. Feel free to replace your old one with this if you like the new version better. I've also introduced two new triple crown awards for editors who've done a lot of triple crown work: the Napoleonic and Alexander the Great edition awards. If you're active in a WikiProject, check out the new offer for custom WikiProject triple crowns. I'll make those upon request if five or more editors qualify. See User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle for more information. Thanks for your hard work, and cheers! Durova^Charge! 22:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 1 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ham Sandwich, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue III (November 2007)

The November 2007 issue of the WikiProject Universities newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you for your continued support of WikiProject Universities! Noetic Sage 19:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Georgetown University

		The Original Barnstar
		Awesome work on the Georgetown University article, getting it to featured status. Also, for the many excellent pictures. Good to see the article is on the main page today. Congratulations! --Aude (talk) 01:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] main page FA

I notice that Georgetown made the main page today. Congrats on all your hard work to get it there! Esrever 01:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations once again Patrick!--Ybbor^Talk 02:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your GA nomination of Virginia

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Virginia you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 4 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to tell you, I'll be reviewing the article tomorrow. So if you want to make any more edits, do so now! :) — Rudget _{contributions} 17:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You just caught me on time. I was just reading about Virgina being the "Mother of Presidents" :) — Rudget _speak.work 17:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I've put it on hold. Please see the talk page for eventual comments. — Rudget _speak.work 19:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I've now passed the article. Well done, Patrick and apologies for (in retrospect, IMO) my slightly strange behaviour during the review. And once again, well done. All the best, — Rudget _{Contributions} 16:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On behalf of WikiProject VA

It was great having someone with your GA/FA experience leading the effort, and I enjoyed working with you! All that and a barnstar too!--Kubigula (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)I just can't believe you beat me to the punch

Patrick - as I have little experience with the FA process, I'd be interested to know your prognosis on Virginia getting to FA. My own analysis is that the referencing is now just about up to snuff, but the prose is still a bit uneven.--Kubigula (talk) 22:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulate Me

I got into Georgetown! :)

(To be honest, I think my work on the article helped me get more knowledgeable about the school for my interview). --Ybbor^Talk 01:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I got accepted to the College. (For some reason they put me down as undeclared. The application form was confusing, and I'm pretty sure I had to check the "undeclared" box before I could check the "political science" box.) I don't know whether I'm going yet, that'll depend a lot on Financial aid, which I know Georgetown is supposed to pretty good with, correct? I have to tell you, nothing makes you want to go to a prestigious school like Georgetown quite like being accepted there. I was wondering if you could give me a little insight into DC life. Assuming I'm going into poli sci (what's your major by the way?), what are some advantages/disadvantages of Georgetown compared to GWU? Do you consider Georgetown's reputation and name recognition to be big appeal? How important is where you get your degree to those in the politics? Obviously, one of GWU's assets is how well-integrated it is with the city. But Georgetown is only 1.5 miles away. Obviously I'm sure you don't feel disconnected with the city, but do you really feel as much a part of it as you think you would at GWU? Thanks again, both for your time and your work on the Georgetown article. Hoya Saxa! (I can finally say that!) --Ybbor^Talk 15:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, glad to hear you're going into government. Have a job yet? How was the career center in that regard? You mentioned that Georgetown has much better name recognition; how big a role does this play in terms of getting a job in politics? They say it's all who you know, but does the name on the degree change things that much?--Ybbor^Talk 21:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CIA memorial stars

I believe the memorial graphic should not be in the operations section. but higher up, such that it covers the entire agency. Having looked at it in person, some of the stars do have names. Among these names are people who were killed in embassy bombings, crashes, by a shooting at CIA headquarters, and, IIRC, accidents during scientific equipment development. Some were analysts or administrators. Putting the picture there, I believe, overemphasizes the perception of the agency as principally a "dirty tricks" organization. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 17:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Virginia

I really don't like how you are saying all how urbanization=liberalism. You fail to mention suburban areas. The majority of suburban areas around the country are Republican. The inner city urban areas are the Democratic areas. Fairfax is an exception to this due to its Northeastern-like culture. It is common knowledge that Northern Virginia is closer culturally to the Northeastern states due to its proximity to the DC area. About your comment about DCs urban sprawl, you pretty said what I was saying. The Washington DC metro area is Northeastern in culture. Its culture is being spread by urban sprawl into Northern Virginia. Culture includes political views.

Look at this page to see the election results by county in Virginia (United States presidential election in Virginia, 2004) and you'll see that Fairfax was not won "overwhelmingly" by John Kerry.

Look at this to better understand the "urban-rural split" (Red states and blue states#The divide)

Message me back if you have any questions but please do not revert correct information.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Err - no: Red&Blue is mostly unsourced; I don't recall seeing any of your edits to that (or the other political-POV topics) having a reliable source. Let's not encourage Patrick to do that. Tedickey (talk) 14:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

First Tedickey, yes the contributions on Red and Blue states are sourced. You should look again; it is all sourced from this website-[2] Second we can simply rephrase the "the majority of the rest of Virginia is still strongly supportive of the Republican Party" part by simply taking out the word "strongly" out. But surely you know that without Northern Virginia, Virginia would be a strongly Republican state. While the margins of victories in each county/district vary, the only places in Virginia (excluding Northern Virginia) that consistently vote Democrat are the 2 college towns in which UVA and VT are located in and the majority black areas in the southeastern region. Virginia was a moderate Bush state instead of a strong Bush state like most of the rest of the states in the South in 2004 because of the largely liberal, and highly/densely populated Fairfax and Arlington counties. Northern Virginia and Southern Virginia are in a conflict politically. In fact Because the majority of the rest of Virginia is in favor of more conservative political views and in turn overwhelms the liberal majority in Fairfax and Arlington, Northern Virginia has proposed a split of the state making a "North Virginia" and a "South Virginia" so that it may pick more liberal candidates, just look it up. That is where I get the word "conflict". The liberal majority in Northern Virginia can be "contrasted" with the conservative majority in Southern Virginia.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 01:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your copyedit request

On 12 July 2007, you made a request to the League of Copyeditors for a copyedit of Georgetown University. Because of a heavy backlog and a shortage of copyeditors, we have been unable to act on your request in a timely manner, for which we apologize. Since your request, this article may have been subject to significant editing and may no longer be a good candidate for copyediting by the League. If you still wish the League to copyedit this article, please review this article against our new criteria and follow the instructions on the Requests page. This will include your request in our new system, where it should receive more prompt attention. Finetooth (talk) 03:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why doesn't undo work

Perhaps you're getting confused by an editor's too-fast followup with additional edits. Bear in mind that the edits are a transaction that the servers perform one at a time. Tedickey (talk) 19:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Alanya combined logo.png)

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[edit] Invite

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! ~~~~

Jccort (talk) 16:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FA:Alanya

Hi. Congrats for the nice work. CeeGee (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DC Meetup on May 17th

Your help is needed in planning Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Georgetown University Student Association

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[edit] Virginia

No problem, just glad I could help. If you need help or have questions don't hesitate to ask. KnightLago (talk) 19:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia Politics

My mistake! I did not mean to add in that portion.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Virginia

Excellent. I'll give it another good look in the next few days to see if I can spot any issues or do some fine tuning. Otherwise, I do plan to be around to help out as needed.--Kubigula (talk) 04:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm prepared to help with the FAC, but I have to confess a bit of ignorence as to the process. The first issue is over whether a number of the sources are sufficiently reliable - are our choices to either substantiate the reliability of the source or find a better source?--Kubigula (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Bummer. I had just printed a hard copy of the article to give the prose a good look over, when I saw the FA had been dinged. I was surprised to see it closed so quickly. Anyway, you did excellent work on the article.--Kubigula (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia Politics Section

Oh yeah, it looks fine with me. Go for it.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of Norwich City F.C. FAC

Hello Patrick, you left a couple of notes opposing this FAC, one of which was about the use of the date field in the {{Cite web}} template and another about the lead. User:SandyGeorgia has responded to the former and I have attended to the latter, and responded accordingly. Would you kindly revisit the FAC since both the points on which object have been covered. Thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you've struck your objection. Thanks! What would we need to do to secure a support? Cheers --Dweller (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NATO

Thankyou Patrick!! Please feel free give me your comments on my talk page or on the article talk page about ways it could be further improved - my cleaning up of it is not over, for such. Kind regards from Down Under. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)