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[edit] Patrick Coyne

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Patrick Coyne, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 05:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patrick Coyne

A tag has been placed on Patrick Coyne, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. SiobhanHansa 00:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patrick Coyne blanking

Hi Patrick - I saw you blanked the Patrick Coyne article. I assume this is because you'd like to see it deleted rather than continue with the AfD. Unfortunately this is does not actual delete the article (everything is still there in the history and it's not red linked) and is not a clear way of indicating that an admin should delete it properly. (Blanking is a practice that is often used by vandals on wikipedia, so we don't always no what is intended when someone blanks a page). If you'd like the article deleting, since you are the only significant contributor, place the text {{db-author}} right at the top of the page and an admin will delete it properly. Or leave a message here saying that that is what you want and I'll see to the rest. This way your intention is clear and documented. If you have any questions please leave a message here or at the bottom of my talk page. Thanks. -- SiobhanHansa 05:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


SiobhanHansa,

   I did indeed try blanking the submission made
 on my page. My intial attempts at creating a page
 were fruitless, (and apparently Way out of bounds!!)
 as I did not realize how I had violated the Wikipedia
 Guidelines to the "Nth" degree. (Having since read
 through them, I concur I did.)  The notion that I put
 a page up was suggested by a friend.
   Please advise as to how a musician with National
 credentials, (if not yet a household name) may have
 such a submission.  If it is possible, I would like
 to do so by the book. (Honestly just having a little
 trouble reading between the guidelnes.) Would it be
 acceptable if one of my supporters created such a page?
 How then could I secure the moniker "Patrick Coyne" in
 the mean time?  (i.e. If the current submissions are
 deleted by default, will a "Patrick Coyne" page be public
 domain for the first taker?)  Thank you for your
  consideration.

Sincerely,

Patrick Coyne 00:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Patrick. On the name front - if we end up with two or more people with the same name and the same sort of importance/name recognition requiring an article, then the main name page (in this case Patrick Coyne) would become what we call a disambiguation page. The two article pages would be called, say, Patrick Coyne (musician) and Patrick Coyne (actor). The disambiguation page would list both articles so anyone typing in just the name would be able to find either. If one person is significantly more important/famous than the other (say one is President of the United States and the other is a little known but significant historical figure in the French revolution, then the revolutionist would be at Patrick Coyne (revolutionist) and we would have the president at the Patrick Coyne article with a little italicized sentence at the top saying This article is about the President of the US. For the French revolutionist, see Patrick Coyne (revolutionist). There are a few minor variations, but we endeavor to make sure people won't be cut off from finding the appropriate article simply because there is more than one person with the same name.
On how to write an article that is appropriate for Wikipedia -
For a start we need verification for assertions in the article. And among the things that need to be asserted are things that meet our notability guideline for musicians (this is just a guideline, not policy, but it's stuck to pretty closely by many people who comment on these things). Appropriate sources are reliable publications that are appropriate for your genre; fanzines, most web-only publications and passing mentions are generally not appropriate. In the case of a musician, we're generally looking for a degree of fame and critical acclaim. As a word of caution - it is common for people who write their own articles to think they meet these guidelines while other editors disagree.
The article also needs to be written in an encyclopedic manner - the article you put together was, well, a little less than the measured, neutral tone we expect :-) It's important to remember what sort of information source Wikipedia is supposed to be. The sort of blurb that gets put out for a press release, or on a fansite is not appropriate (not that we don't have plenty of stuff here like this - but if good editors find it, it won't stay). We should be covering basic facts and history, incidents of significance from an encyclopedic perspective, and critical reception. If an artist gets critical reviews that are poor, they need to go on the article as much as critical reviews that are good.
Finally of course there's the issue of who can write it. Technically we strongly encourage people not to write or edit articles on themselves, and asking a supporter to do it isn't really any different, our conflict of interest guideline points such editors to the talk page of the article to lay out the information they have (with sources) and ask other, non-connected editors to add material to the article. When there isn't an article there in the first place that's a little difficult. If you write an otherwise good article, the fact that you wrote it yourself is not sufficient reason for it to be deleted, but people will probably scrutinize it and judge it more harshly if you do that. You could lay out the basics with sources here, or in, say, this sandbox and ask other editors to write it. You might try Wikipedia:Wikiproject Music (I'm not sure how they'd respond to such a request if you haven't been participating to imporve the encyclopedia more generally). If you need assistance you can ask me, but I don't feel confident judging most sources for this sort of subject. Unless you've been profiled in Rolling Stone I'm not really going to have heard of the publications! I can certainly try to provide some help, but I'm not the best sort of person to try and do this for you.
You should also take a look at our welcome page, which has a tutorial which can show you how to format your editing (you could start by not putting spaces at the front of paragraphs, that's what is putting your edits into the shaded outlined box).
It's quite a lot of work to develop a decent article in a situation like this because bare-bones stuff is likely to be deleted at this point and you don't have the experience with editing to know how to present things or what's likely to be accepted. The verification mentioned above is the most important thing to get though. If that's good enough other editors will probably help out.
Finally, I would encourage you to edit Wikipedia in general rather than just to get your article up. It's a great project and we all just volunteers. Good luck. feel free to ask more questions. -- SiobhanHansa 01:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userfied content

Hi Patrick Coyne, I userfuied, or copied the content to your user page. You can save it, delete it, or add userboxes to your heart's desire. I hope you stay and edit articles and continue your musical career. Bearian 02:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)