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[edit] Non-free images of actors

Some photos of characters in Last of the Summer Wine have been removed. Here for my own reference are some of the talk items, mainly abstracted from various pages.

[edit] Keith Clifford

You recently removed the photo of this actor in one of his near-current TV roles. As far as I could see, the photo was properly labelled as fair use, with a rationale etc. Please let me know why you removed it.

Thank you. Patche99z (talk) 12:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Keith Clifford
Hi! The image was tagged as having a bad justification for fair use for one week and I agreed - generally, non-free images are not appropriate to depict living people. For an actor, a non-free image of one of their characters can be used only in an article or section about the character. Hope this helps! east.718 at 20:53, December 27, 2007

[edit] Image of Jonathan Linsley

I see you have removed the image of this actor in his role as Crusher in Last of the Summer Wine from his article, quoting WP:NFC, but with no further explanation. I am afraid that I cannot follow your reasoning here. The image meets all the policy criteria as far as I can see, and the fair use rationale is complete and accurate. In general, I believe that every article about an actor should have at least one image of that actor, preferably in one of his roles, to enable readers to fully understand who they are reading about.

I see you are taking a short break, so rather than posting a comment and then waiting for your return, and having the problem of the image being deleted from Wikipedia altogether, I have reinstated it, in good faith.

Thank you. Patche99z (talk) 15:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Images of living person fails [WP:NFCC]]s first criteria since a free image can be created. Therefore we don't allow such images. Rettetast (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From the talk page of Last of the Summer Wine, item Images

OK, whoever the admin was who left the template about the images on the page left no indication of why they felt the images in the article are in violation of wiki policy and I'm at a loss. Anyone want to venture a guess? -- Redfarmer (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

From the user's talk page, a response they gave to another user when they apparently did the same thing to an article that user was working on:

Non-free images can only be included per WP:NFCC. To have 20 logos in an article fails criteria 3 and 8.

I guess he means we can't use so many images because of fair use. I just wish he'd said this on the talk page instead of just randomly adding a template. I'll get to this soon unless someone else wants to do it first. We should be able to keep the intertitle and the picture of the trio at the top. Just get rid of the pictures of the characters in the chracters section. -- Redfarmer (talk) 08:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
These templates often mean that the fair-use rationale in the image page doesn't have a link to the articles in question. Bluap (talk) 14:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I that Redfarmer has fixed the problem with the images. Sorry that i did not leave a message here but I only tag when I don't have the time to fix it, and comes back later. There is a good explanation for the removal of such images at User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation. Cheers. Rettetast (talk) 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear me, these deletions really reduce the usability of the article. It is possible to argue that the images were well in accord with the policy item 8: " Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Non-free media files are not used if they can be replaced by text that serves a similar function." In fact, readers cannot understand who the actors are at all unless there is a photo, so images are absolutely essential to understanding. However, it is clear from Durin's referenced page that arguments will do nothing, no matter how cogent they are. Minds are closed here. In the end, Wikipedia's policy comes down to fear of lawsuits, which is difficult to argue against, I suppose. (All the high-faluting talk about free access etc is secondary to this fear.)
May I ask if it is permissible to produce a sketch of a character, based on a fair-use photo? Presumably, this would be a derivative work - would that be acceptable? (Not being an artist, I am thinking of a computer-generated line drawing derived from the photo.) Patche99z (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd be against this even if it is permissible. Drawings would reduce the quality of the article and make it look a lot less encyclopedic and professional. If we can't have the photos, I'd rather it stay as is. -- Redfarmer (talk) 12:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have to agree with you, especially since I made a quick attempt at a drawing... it was dreadful.
It seems the main objection is the one against using non-free images of living persons, except in very limited circumstances. For the record, the best reference seems to be WP:NFC "Unacceptable images" item 12, not WP:NFCC which has less useful text. But it is possible to use a screenshot of characters provided it is in the article about the relevant show or character, not the actor's article. I guess the argument is that the image is of the character not the actor, so a replacement free image cannot be obtained. See WP:NFC "Acceptable images" item 5. Except for the gotcha which started all this here: WP:NFC "Policy" item 3a, "Minimal usage". Anyway, I have given up arguing. Patche99z (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Ivy6625.jpg

Replaceable fair use

Thanks for uploading Image:Ivy6625.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Ivy6625.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Ivy6625.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 12:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pic of Vivian

But it's my picture, I took it, and I said so in the place where it says things like that. I noticed that all photos of Vivian kept getting kicked off, and so I took my laptop in hand to do something about that. I thought if you took a picture, it was yours, therefore you could put it on wiki. You allowed them the right or summat. I've done that quite a few times and they're all still there. They're the only ones which are. But you think they'll Vivian's pic away even though no one/bot has done so elesewhere?JiggeryPokery (talk) 15:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Thank you!!! I've popped the code on the relevant page. Now maybe a pic of him will stay there. JiggeryPokery (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)