Talk:Patty Hearst

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Do you think that she was really brainwashed? If so, how do you think this was achieved?

I'm curious about the distinction this article makes between being "brainwashed" and Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome says that if you keep people prisoner by threatening their lives, they sometimes come to identify with you. How is this different from "brainwashing," i.e., a coerced change of personality? Nareek 18:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Stockholm Syndrome is not sought by the captors - it just happens. Brainwashing is a deliberate effort to force a change of view. -- Beardo (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Pardons

Yes, Presidents can commute a sentence using their pardon power, that means they serve a lesser sentence but they are still considered 'guilty'. A full pardon means that the person is considered to have never committed the crime. --Gorgonzilla 22:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Quiz question - how many convicted felons in US History have had a conviction for a very serious offence such as bank robbery commuted by one President and then pardoned by another. Is Justice blind?! Ms Hearst got this treatment because of who she was. Anyone else would have got 15-20 in the pen with no commutation or pardon.

Holden 27

Quiz question #2 - the sentence at the original trial with Judge _____ Federal Court _____?

How can a Judge 'sentence' to a Presidential pardon?

You can't be commuted until some verdict is rendered.

Feb. 4, 1974 SLA kidnaps newspaper heiress Patricia Hearst from her Berkeley apartment. The group demanded that her parents, newspaper executive Randolph Hearst and Catherine Hearst, give $70 in food to every poor person in California.

April 1974 Hearst sends an audiotape to her parents saying she has decided to join the SLA and adopted the name "Tania." During a San Francisco bank robbery, captured on surveillance tape, Hearst wields a carbine.

Sept. 18, 1975 Police searching for Soliah in two separate San Francisco apartments find Patricia Hearst instead. Police raid one apartment expecting to find Soliah but found Hearst, Soliah's brother Steven, and three other SLA members. Hearst is arrested for her involvement in an SLA bank robbery and is eventually convicted and sentenced to a seven-year prison term.

1979 Then-President Jimmy Carter commutes Hearst's sentence.

January 2001 Then-President Bill Clinton pardons Hearst just before his term of office is about to expire.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/soliah/chronology.html

Anyway you slice it - Randolph Hearst spent a truckload of money to clear his daughter.

BTW - U.S. District Court Judge Oliver J. Carter Opposing Bailey was U.S. Attorney James L. Browning Jr.

"At Bailey's urging, Patty took the Fifth Amendment 42 times when asked about her activities in the year before her capture. That badly damaged her credibility."
"The most important piece of circumstantial evidence against Patty, Browning claimed, was her reaction when William and Emily Harris got into trouble at the sporting-goods store. Patty was waiting alone in a van outside. The defendant testified that she lived in terror of the Harrises, yet she fired off a fusillade of shots to cover their flight."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,918151-1,00.html

What did happen to those State charges?

ArmedCitizen 04:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo of the bank robbery would be good here

I added to Wikipedia:Requested pictures a request for the surveillance camera photo of Patty Hearst robbing the bank. Hopefully it's available for us to use, and should be in this article and also be put over at Stockholm syndrome. Tempshill 23:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roland

I can think of two alternate interpretations for the Warren Zevon lyric, both hinging on alternate meanings of 'bought it' and can't find any reference to what exactly was meant by Zevon, so perhaps these are worth considering.

1. "heard the burst" as meaning heard a message, perhaps the effectiveness of violence, and "bought it" as believed. Given the brainwashing/stockholm (an argument I don't wish to enter into) this seems plausible and somewhat relevant.
2. A description of Roland shooting her, ie heard the burst as he fires, and bought it meaning died. Not as plausible, and I can't really think of a reason Zevon would have a description of a fictional shooting of her in the song either, but it's *just* possible. (As opposed to 1, that I would call quite plausible.)

I don't know much about Hearst or Zevon, but it just struck me that perhaps the very literal interpretation might not be the right one for a song written by someone like him. Hatchetfish 07:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VANDALISM

Reverted some vandalism. What drives people to do this?BassBone (my talk · my contributions) 20:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Um. Stockholm Syndrome? --Michael K. Smith 23:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV question

Hearst has cultivated a surprising part-time career as an actress.
"Surprising"? Isn't that a rather slanted comment? It's certainly not objective. --Michael K. Smith 23:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

It currently says she was holding a full auto M1 Carbine. If it was automatic, wouldn't that make it an M2?

[edit] Heiress

Is she a millionaire? any details would improve the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.105.209.231 (talk) 04:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Legit Sources

"super70s.com" does not appear to be an appropriate source, just a commercial sight trying to capitalize on a wikipedia link. I don't think that site meets wikipedia criteria for a proper source. The Hearst entry on that site does list a bunch of excellent references (books, news articles) but the website itself is not a wikipedia rules compliant source via a DNS/WhoIS search of the site.

[edit] pop culture section

Maybe it'd be worth creating a separate article for that, since there's so many of them. Like List of popular culture references about Patty Hearst, or something like that. Just a suggestion... -Ebyabe 16:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I would be in favor of that, rather than just dumping info because someone thinks it clutters the article. Patty Hearst was no ordinary kidnap victim. She generated an incredible amount of interest and imitation. People who weren't around in the 1970s don't quite understand that. Wahkeenah 16:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm in favor of moving the material elsewhere, too. The problem with that section is that it has taken on a life of it's own; it's pretty much infinitely expandable. By definition, the material listed there is trivial: there's no reason why it needs to take up such a large proportion of the entry.--Galliaz 21:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Whatever you guys decide please don't keep reverting each other. Discuss and come to an agreement. - ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I will set up a separate article, and then the original editor can have his way. Then I'll wait for some other yahoo to suggest merging them. Wahkeenah 22:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I started it and will get back to it. The user obsessed with deleting this section seems to have generated a lot of ill will in general. Whatever. Wahkeenah 23:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox: Occupation

"Heiress" isn't an occupation. Also "occasional actress"? Most actors are occasional - POV term.Piperdown 15:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's in a Name?

Searching the web, I have found her name to be spelled both Hearst and Hurst. I don't really know which one is the right one, but it seems to me someone needs to get it straight.

Hearst is 100% correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.54.66 (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tania

The article on Tania the Guerrilla suggests Hearst's "nom de guerre" was after her. Any sources ? If so, it should be mentioned here. -- Beardo (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Urban legend?

This paragraph seams odd and uses a lot of weasel words comments? 'A little known fact about Hearst is that before her arrest, Marianne Tavare (now Simpson) was thought to have been Hearst. One day while Simpson was out at lunch from work, an anonymous tip came in that someone had spotted Hearst (Simpson) at a gas station, and followed her to her work, where the police showed up to arrest her. They only found a room full of frightened bank tellers.' 'A little known fact' is common in urban legends and gossip 'one day' these are weasel words also there are no sources sited (I'm guessing it was someone's sister's friend's uncle's cousin) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craobh sidhe (talk • contribs) 22:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)