Talk:Patton (film)

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---L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace---

Though when translated directly into English it means 'audacity'. In french, it can have a few meanings, one of which means 'daring'. And in the sense used in the movie, he isn't saying 'audacity' but 'daring'.

Was the family dead-set against the making of the movie because they asked the day after his widow's funeral? The article sort of seems to imply it, but its unclear. If not the reason why they were opposed should be stated. -R. fiend 20:08, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Oscar refusal 2 disambiguation page 3 Speech 4 Patton and Bradley 5 Odd Phrase - Nazi Homeland 6 Misunderstanding in Trivia Section 7 Patton's driver 8 Mules Killed 9 Fair use rationale for Image:70 patton.jpg

[edit] Oscar refusal

CMIIAW, but I thought that the reason that Scottt rejected his Oscar was because the Oscar system did not compare like with like, that is to say, several Patton films made at the same time.

[edit] disambiguation page

There should be a disambiguation page, since "Patton" could mean the movie, the general, or the tank. --Kenyon 20:34, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speech

Is the speech from the movie under copyright? Even if it isn't I think it's unnecessarily long to have in its entirety in this article. -R. fiend 02:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

2 good points, my opinions:

1. Everyone wants the speech. Of course, they could get it from many sources on the internet like I did. But given this is a reference, I think it good to have it here. The entire article is actually rather short compared to many.

2. Copyright: There are 2 copyrights associated, the performance and the screenplay. Someone obviously copied the words from the performance, but that does not make it the screenplay. The words are never written on the screen and this was not copied from the screenplay, whoever has it. This is not for commercial use and all attributions and links are made. Also, it was obtained from another non-movie web site. And, in assessing the amount used compared to the entire movie, well, you get the picture. Further, much of it was derived from Patton himself, who never gave permission to the screenwriters to use, so they don't own a copyright in it (and words spoken in public by a public figure can not be copyrighted). Bottom line --> fair use if there is even a copyright at all.

--Noitall 05:43, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

I'm moving it to wikiquote. Wikipedia is not for large dumps of source material. You can pursue your copyright squabbles there. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patton and Bradley

I have read that the film could be intrepreted as a hagiographic tribute to Omar Bradley. Does anyone have any information on this? Hi There 18:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odd Phrase - Nazi Homeland

In the Plot section, the phrase "Nazi homeland" occurs. I find this to be a very odd phrase, as a political party is generally not assigned a homeland in the same way that a people, or ethnic or linguistic group is generally thought to spring from a homeland. I would feel much more comfortable with the phrase "German homeland" but would be interested to know the points in favour of the current "Nazi homeland". Hi There 18:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misunderstanding in Trivia Section

There seems to be a misunderstanding in the Trivia section. Where it says:

The scene at the beginning of the film with Patton delivering his monologue was actually the last scene filmed. Originally, it was supposed to have been the first scene shot, but Scott requested that he be saved for the end of filmmaking. It was Scott's belief that the scene called for Patton to be so over the top, that it would affect his performance in the rest of the film. The scene was shot in a basement room.

In IMDB it says:

Initially, George C. Scott refused to film the famous speech in front of the American Flag when he learned that the speech was going to come at the opening of the film. He felt that if they put that scene at the beginning, then the rest of his performance would not live up to that scene. So director Franklin Schaffner lied to Scott and told him that the scene would be put at the end of the film.

I did the highlightning to show up the differences. The contributor to the article thought that the problem with the scene in question was the order of shooting, whereas in the IMDB bit it is said that the problem was the order of showing of the scene... It would be nice to have a source to find out which one is the right one. (Personally, I am inclined to think that IMDB is right on this one.) Nazroon 06:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Since I've moved this bit out of trivia, I'm going to replace it with the IMDB version, but mark it with a citation needed tag. Clarityfiend 16:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patton's driver

In the credits, it's listed as "General Patton's Driver...Bill Hickman," yet on here it specifies someone else. Anyone know about this? JW 09:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Inasmuch as Patton's and Bradley's driver are minor characters, I'm removing all mention of the two of them, so we don't have to worry about who portrayed them. Clarityfiend 05:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mules Killed

Wasn't there some controversy because animals were actually killed during the making of the film? In particular, the scene involving the mules which Patton shot? And did this lead to rules about this for later films?Jrm2007 19:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:70 patton.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)