Talk:Patrick Power (Australian)

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Contents 1 Minor edit re appearance at court 2 Information removed 3 Rapist category 4 Weight given to arrest and conviction

[edit] Minor edit re appearance at court

"did not appear" at his court mention was replaced with "excused from appearing" at his court mention. While the first is correct, it could be inferred that Power failed to appear without permission, which was not the case.

[edit] Information removed

Whilst the conviction of this individual is notable, there is no need for us to report the sensational details at length. We are not a tabloid newspaper. Further this is a biography of a living person not a fact sheet on a sensational court-case.

I also find it, frankly, worrying that the author of this article has personally taken a picture of the guy's house and supplied it for this article. This is intrusive and not relevant to the article. I have removed it.

If you disagree, let's discuss it. But was we err on the cautious sire with biographies do not replace this information unless there is a consensus to do so.--Doc^g 11:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I completely endorse your actions and would have done the same thing. Cbrown1023 talk 11:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I concur Shorvath 01:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rapist category

This page is linked to from the page listing Australian rapists. Unless I'm missing something here, Power is not a rapist. Evil bacteria (talk) 22:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that, and removed the link to [[Category:Australian rapists]]. However, should he be in the other [[Category:Australian convicted child sex offenders]]? Not sure if child porn comes under the category. Lester 22:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

On balance I'd say yes. Power was charged under the NSW Crimes Act which unsurprisingly child pornography in the same Division as child prostitution. Child prostitution is clearly a sex offence. A habitual user of child pornography is able to do so only as the end beneficiary of that sex offence, and is arguably therefore also a sex offender. Actual physical contact with the victim is not always necessary to commit a sex offence against them.

NSW also has legislation prohibiting convicted child sex offenders from employment with or near children. The Child Protection (Offenders Registration) Act 2000 defines child sex offenders as including those convicted of possession or dissemination of child pornography. Euryalus (talk) 23:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weight given to arrest and conviction

Recently a large portion of this article was deleted on the groudns that it gave undue weight to Power's child pornography arrest and conviction compared to the rest of the biography. There is some merit in this as the child porn section was longer than the rest of the article. However the answer is not to delete sourced and relevant material but to expand the remainder. There must be a wealth of information on power's legal career - interesting cases, involvement in legal policy, conribution to the DPP's office and so on. This should also be incldued after appropriate sourcing.

I have restored most of the deleted information excluding some that appeared to be speculation or a bit pejorative (eg. we shouldn't say 59 people "saw fit" to give references, just that 59 people gave references). I'm happy to discuss this further if there are alternative views. Euryalus (talk) 03:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Your changes are much better than the original version which I cut. I still think the negative stuff takes up too much weight for a BLP, but at least it's moving in the right direction.. --Jkp212 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree with you - if either of us get a chance we should hunt around for details of Power's legal career prior to the arrest to flesh out the article. I'm also a bit puzzled about the jail term - the original sentence was 8 months before parole, he was released immediately on bail but after the appeal was dismissed he served seven months only. What happened to the other month? Euryalus (talk) 23:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)