Talk:Patrick Flanagan

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None of the external links mention the doctorates and neither does the Guardian article about him from 2005. The Daily Mirror article refers to him as "the late Dr. Flanagan". So the doctorate claims appear dubious. AxelBoldt 19:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

As this has not been addressed 6 month later, I propose to begin the deletion of unsourced statements.DGG 03:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Flanagan. AxelBoldt's comments above are incorrect. -- ChrisO 08:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I have seen his web site, which does not mention a doctorate except in medicine, but just advanced degrees in some of the fields. I've used the quote as a replacement. DGG 01:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Inadequate sourcing

The citations provided fail to meet WP:Verify. I suggest they be removed and replaced with reliable ones, as the sources cited are run by the subject of the article. -Interested2 21:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do not remove information and connections to the official U.S. patent office website , regarding the neurophone and electron field generator inventions . AS far as the rest of the info goes there is no suggestion of bias in any of the statements , claims are stated as such . Dispute over the scientific and health claims about the nutitional products is indicated without putting the arguments one way or the other . In any case , since when has the University of California , Berkley been an authority on the efficacy of nutritional supplements .Flumstead (talk) 12:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categorization

Is there a reason why this page isn't in Category:Pseudoscience, or is that because it could be considered potentially libelous (or something)? DiamonDie (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason it's not considered pseudoscience is because several of the inventions are officially recognised or are legitimate health products , see below . I agree that Pyramid Power is in the realm of pseudoscience , but there is another wikipedia page dedicated to that subject . It is simply mentioned in the context of Flanagan's life . Flanagan himself cannot be considered pseudoscientist . Flumstead (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Official U.S. Patent Office connections .

Incase anybody removes the official U.S. patent office website connections for the Neurophone and Electron Field Generator , here are the links ; Neurophone patent no.3,393,279[1] , patent no.3,647,970[2] Electron Field Generator patent no.4,391,773[3] , patent no.4,743,275[4] Flumstead (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Silica Hydride .

Here are some links to published peer review papers by Flanagan about Silica Hydride [5][6][7] . I don't know about you , but this doesn't seem like pseudoscience . These papers also seem to invalidate the criticisms made in the University of California , Berkley wellness letter suggesting that negative hydrogen ions can't exist in water . This is real science which is being applied in pharmacology , biochemistry and industry . Flumstead (talk) 16:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[8] has a pretty thorough debunking of these claims. Were Flanagan's claims remotely based in fact they would warrant massive media coverage and probably a Nobel prize, not two articles by persons without legitimate degrees in the Journal of Medicinal Food. -Interested2 (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Papers have been published in more than one journal , such as the 'International Journal of Hydrogen Energy' , and 'Free Radical Biology and Medicine'. It can take a long time for Nobel prizes to be awarded since it can a long time for the implications of a discovery to be realised , but i wouldn't be suprised if lots of stuff is going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of . If the media doesn't cover this sort of thing then it can hold these discoveries back . Anyway , thanks Interested2 for not deleting the info that i added . I hope we can have a rational discussion about these things . You do need to give a citation for calling Medicina Alternativa a 'degree mill'. Flumstead (talk) 10:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I concur that it needs a citation, unfortunately, I didn't originally add that. I'll try to find a citation in the mean time. -Interested2 (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Addendum: Although it does need a cite, the official site [9] is pretty clearly not that of a legit academic institution. -Interested2 (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

True but isn't it enough to say he claims these qualifications . The 'Open International University for Complementary Medicines'[10] seems to be a pretty long established and recognised alternative medicine school . Plus i've added a link to the 'Time and Life ' picture archive website[11] which proves he did appear in the magazine .Flumstead (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)