Talk:Patrick Denis O'Donnell

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[edit] Notability?

I question the notablility of this page. It seems to me that this chap held no positions of importance and, although a colourful life, isn't really notable per se. Perhaps I wrong but I think it needs discussed.

Secondly, if he is notable, it seems the article is far too long anyway.--Couter-revolutionary 10:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I see he was "Seneschal for Tyrconnell", so surely this should be the thrust of the article. It is too long at present.--Couter-revolutionary 10:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

He's more notable than any of the murderers of innocents who are having pages put up on Wikipedia just because they were terrorists. I don't really have a problem with it. David Lauder 18:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Righto, although 1. we can't know if any of it's true and 2. it's probably far too long.--Couter-revolutionary 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

There are far worse things to deal with. You are spot on in the AfD for the terrorist, but don't let them wind you up. David Lauder 19:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Non-noteable in my view. Also too long. I suspect it is written by his son. Nevertheless his contribution to the world was surely greater and more constructive than that of some others in wikipedia. - Kittybrewster 19:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I have followed this trail from the Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland debate. I do not agree that this Patrick Denis O'Donnell article is about a "non-noteable" person. He seems more notable than many others with bios on Wikipedia, at least in his own country, and in military and historical circles. I am intrigued by his plethora of articles. I asked a friend in Ireland to check out the obituaries referred to. They are mostly actual biographical articles, not obituary notices, including a substantial one "An Appreciation" published in the editorial page of the Irish Times on 24 January 2005, which is usually only given such attention for notable people. The one in the Kerryman Newspaper on 13 January 2005 was titled by the newspaper editors "Esteemed military historian and writer", and the Kerry Eye newspaper in Tralee on 27 January 2005 had a title "Army officer was military expert". The death notice in the Carnet du Jour section of the French newspaper Le Figaro on 18 March 2005 in Paris noted his title as "Seneschal de Tyrconnell" with the appropriate family details. Certainly, such tributes in Austria would be notable, and I would think they would be elsewhere too. How many old soldiers have an honour guard at their funeral with the Chief of Staff of the country's Armed Forces in attendance, 20 years after the deceased's retirement?! That is not to say that the article could not be shorter. (Max Kaertner 15:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC))