Talk:Patricia Scotland, Baroness Scotland of Asthal

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Contents 1 Comment 2 Fair Use 3 Appointment as High Court Judge 4 Picture

[edit] Comment

NPOV "This treaty was signed in secret, any potential political interference silenced with the catch-all 'terrorism'...'The Natwest Three' case is astonishing in that the offence the three have been charged with are not typically extradition offences."

Not particularly neutral language about the use of the "terrorism" card and the use of "astonishing" implies a value judgement. --Tarpy 02:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think the last paragraph in particular should be removed. This seems to be a detailed commentary on the NatWest 3 case which is neither relevant to a biography of Baroness Scotland nor neutrally written. --88.111.184.39 10:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the NatWest Three mention is very inadequate. Personally I would just scrap it and start again. The important thing to keep in mind is that Baroness Scotland didn't negotiate the Treaty, and nor is she responsible for what the courts decide; she just happens to be responsible for implementing the Treaty now. David | Talk 10:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I have edited the sections concerned and hope now that they display a more neutral point of view. Regarding the natwest 3 commentary I believe it is relevant to a biography, extremely so in fact and highly illustrative of legislation at work and their consequences to ordinary people, David [Dbiv] makes that clear by his use of the word 'responsible'. However, perhaps it could be moved into the new article on the NatWest Three, however I would want to make Scotland's role clear to people in her biography, collective responsibilty only goes so far. TwoBells 14:40 13/07/2006

I think the article has been improved in terms of NPOV. I have made some further changes to ensure that the detail is related to Baroness Scotland. I feel the information, which I have removed, about Visas and the Irish Lobby on Congress would be better placed in the NatWest 3 article or elsewhere. --Kelso21 16:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

These are good edits! I've taken down the npov.--Tarpy 15:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair Use

Are we reduced by the image police to using oil paintings of prominent British politicians rather than photographs? --JesseBHolmes 18:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the painting should be removed even if we can't use a real picture. It doesn't look very good to use a painting of a person who is photographed very often.Teemu Romppanen 10:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree and imho it is not a particually amazing painting and it doesn't even look like her. I will remove it and replace it with a "we need a picture" picture Gingerblokey 22:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appointment as High Court Judge

It is stated that : "The Lord Chancellor in the Conservative government had intended to make Scotland a High Court Judge"

Is there a source for this suggestion? While, in time, had she remained at the Bar and not entered politics, it is not impossible that Lady Scotland could have been appointed to the High Court Bench, she would only have been in her early 40s under the last Conservative Lord Chancellor. This would have been considerably younger than age at which people were usually considered (let alone appointed) to the High Court Bench at that time.

Informed Owl 18:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Informed Owl

[edit] Picture

Could somebody crop the picture? I'm not aware of the Baroness's sexuality, but the fact that she has "Lesbian Gay Bisexual" printed in very large letters right next to her certainly implies something, which we shouldn't be doing if it isn't true. As the original image is quite large anyway, a cropping of the extensive peripheral areas would allow for a larger and clearer picture of the subject anyway. Miremare 21:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)