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I'm going to copy and paste the list from "Access to Insight edition" [1]

"Copyright © 1994 Thanissaro Bhikkhu Access to Insight edition © 1994 For free distribution. This work may be republished, reformatted, reprinted, and redistributed in any medium. It is the author's wish, however, that any such republication and redistribution be made available to the public on a free and unrestricted basis and that translations and other derivative works be clearly marked as such."

Wikipedia and GDFL fit into reproduction of material "on a free and unrestricted basis and that translations and other derivative works be clearly marked as such." Vapour

I listed all the rules at Wikipedia:Copyright Problems because this does allow commercial redistribution.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 14:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 An extra info 2 merge of the three Vinaya Lineages 3 Not advisable to merge Patimokkha with Pratimoksha 4 Reccomendations for "Access to Insight edition" Patimokkha

[edit] An extra info

I found this info may help to understand the Patimokkha and it could be added as an external link

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc1/index.html

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc2/index.html

Although I don't agree with some of the statements which I consider a bit controversial as reflecting to the current age, by large it is a good work. Perhaps the book of Freedom Wherever We Go : A Buddhist Monastic Code for the Twenty-first Century (Paperback), by Rev. Thich Nhat Hanh, ISBN 1888375442, PY 2005, is a complementary work to the old stake

[edit] merge of the three Vinaya Lineages

it would be good to make a merge of the Pratimoksha of Tibetan Lineage, the Patimokkha of the Theravada Lineage and the Dharmaguptaka Lineage. These three are the present existing Ordination Lineage of the Buddha deriving from his disciples to the present...--Kt66 17:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not advisable to merge Patimokkha with Pratimoksha

In the spirit and understanding of the term Patimokkha with Pratimoksha itself is different.

Patimokkha in the sense of Theravada refers to the code of discipline for the fully ordained Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis. For Novice and Lay disciples, the basic code of discipline are known as "Sikkha Padam" or Training rules/precepts.

We can know more about it when we start to understand that the Patimokkha rules is the summary of the rules contained in the Sutta-vibangha in the Vinaya Pitaka.

Although Patimokkha in sanskrit is "Pratimoksha", but when we refer to the term "Pratimoksha", it includes the bodhisatva Vows and training rules for both lay disciples and the ordained order.

Furthermore, it no longer consist only the rules in Sutta-Vibangha, but also Bodhisatva vows which are to be found in Mahayana Suttas instead of their Vinaya.

Purely in the sense of (四分律), the Bodhisatva Vows were not included, although the Mahayanist had 250 Pratimoksha rules for Bhikshus and 350 Pratimoksha rules for Bhikshunis compared to the 227 and 331 of Patimokkha rules in the Sutta-vibangha.

It would be advisable to leave them on seperate articles, but with links for people who want to understand more on this "realm" of Patimokkha rules.

Buddhosavaka (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reccomendations for "Access to Insight edition" Patimokkha

The BMC is a much elaborated explainations on the application of the Patimokkha itself, and it merges both the Bhikkhus and the Bhikkhuni's Patimokkha rules together.

Maybe this source will be helpful for people who want to know more about Patimokkha rules of Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis in their differences in a much summarised way.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/sv/bhikkhu-pati-intro.html

The Major differences are at the Pacittiya section.

May all be well and happy Buddhosavaka (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)