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[edit] 3RR on Military history of Bulgaria during World War II
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Todor→Bozhinov 17:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
The way you are describing it, the 3RR also applies to the person who reverts my "reversions"
Parrisia 20:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- It does; but I'm watching my edits: I made three in 24 hours, you made at least four, and I wouldn't revert again. Todor→Bozhinov 21:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WW II
Re: Bozinov's article:Military_history_of_Bulgaria_during_World_War_II
Bulgaria signed the Tripartite Pact in 1941 and attacked Greece. No amount of smoothtalking ("e.g. Bulgaria retained its prosition of passivity" - oh please!) will ever change the malignant role of Bulgaria in the history of WWII. Soviet occupation must have given Bulgaria a good idea of what NE Greece went through during the "glory days" of Bialomorska Balgaria.
Parrisia 20:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Malignant? I don't think we did anything even comparable to Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, or even the Independent State of Croatia, for that matter. History is not a simple thing, at least not as simple as you present it (as if we just signed the pact and attacked: we didn't sign the pact like that, we were, to a large extent, pressured into signing it; and we never attacked, we were assigned the control of already German-conquered territories). You totally disregard the role of politics and diplomacy, and I don't see what's wrong with our constant passivity throughout the war, which is a historical fact — we never sent any troops to any front to help the Nazis, for example. And remember, we saved our Jews from the camps.
- I'm not sure what that Soviet occupation is supposed to mean, and I don't think it gives me any idea of northeastern Greece, the matters are absolutely incomparable. Also, the feminine form of the Bulgarian adjective meaning "Aegean" is spelt belomorska. Best regards, Todor→Bozhinov 21:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
You are probably right. “Malignant” does not even begin to explain the criminal role of Axis partner Bulgaria during WWII. In the final analysis, if you really are into accurately presenting the facts, then you need to observe the following:
Even the fascist dictatorship who run Greece at the time, refused to capitulate to the Germans. The Greeks fought the Axis with all their strength, even managing to score a few points on the way (Greco-Italian War) and did not become the Axis “policemen” ("assigned the control of already German-conquered territories" – also in that job you apparently did not perform very well either – see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Bulgaria). After the Nazis won the Battle of Greece, a fierce resistance was organized.
The "Osvoboditel", on the other hand, felt no need in doing the right thing i.e. making a contribution into the Allied effort and fight the Germans. Instead he saw the Nazi attack on Greece as a perfect opportunity to put his expansionist and "irredentist" agenda(against Greece and Macedonia, respectively) into action. He explicitly agreed about that with Hitler before signing the Tripartite Pact.
In the case of Macedonia, the "Osvoboditel" may have had a point since nationalist Bulgarians like to think that Macedonians are in fact Bulgarians, but, in the case of Greece his aspirations were totally groundless. It is like us Greeks saying that Instabul (formerly known as Constantinople) is still Greek despite its 99,99% non-Greek population and that we need to take it over.
This decision by the "Osvoboditel" rightly placed Bulgaria in the esteemed company (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, Independent State of Croatia) that you yourself have described. But don’t kid yourself: Bulgarian occupation of Greece was far worse than the Nazi and Italian ones. Deportation of all officials (mayors, school-teachers, judges, lawyers, priests), a universal ban on the use of the Greek language even on a private basis, expropriation of land and housing, import of Bulgarian settlers, renaming of all towns and places. Nomatter how romantically you choose to look at this, Bulgaria, unlike Nazi Germany, set out to annex NE Greece.
Parrisia 07:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, don't be so naïve, I already told you you're looking at things as if they're so simple. During that stage of the war, there was hardly good or bad, and what we were doing is protect our national interests: save our country from the destruction in the Nazi-occupied areas and achieve national unification by joining the Bulgarian-inhabited areas of Romania, Yugoslavia and Serbia to our country. Of course, the Bulgarians in Greek Thrace and Macedonia turned out to be already assimilated or deported, and substituted with colonists from Pontus. But that's quite fair, not like "renaming" towns (using the old Bulgarian forms of the names), huh? And as if the locals "Slavs" are allowed to speak Bulgarian in Greece today...
- How Greece joined the Allies and Bulgaria the Axis is not a matter of good or bad, but of politics and diplomacy, as I already said. You could make the fierce Greek resistance as poetic as you want, I don't mind. We received no support from the Allies, so we were forced to join the Axis to save Bulgaria from Nazi atrocities. And we couldn't save your Jews because they were not Bulgarian citizens.
- I'm not trying to justify Boris III's actions, it's just that there are reasons behind these actions that must not be omitted.
- In conclusion, I'd say it's pretty much pointless to accuse one other of war crimes. Whatever happened was more than 60 years ago, and the situation has changed so much since then. We're good partners today, no matter what we did in WWII and what you did in the Second Balkan War. OK? Todor→Bozhinov 09:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
We fought the Nazis, you sided with them even becoming their policemen, end of story. It is not anyone else's fault that your useless statesmen made all the wrong choices both in WWII and in 1912-3. I guess the bottom-line is that you have to make something of our own and try not to steal somebody else's property. Parrisia 10:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] AfD nomination of Aristotelis Tsilingaridis
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[edit] Your personal attack
- Re: I kindly request you to take back the message in my talk page and apologize, before I proceed to the due actions in order to protect myself from your personal attack.--Yannismarou 13:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
you can go ahead and klas my puts, Sherlock
Parrisia 16:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Aristotelis Tsilingaridis. The notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, you may comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Will (aka Wimt) 16:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Please take this as a final warning. Wikipedia is not a place to use as a nationalist battlefield, as you did in your polemics with TodorBozhinov, and it also has a very strict rule against incivility and personal attacks, like the ones you made against Yannismarou. Please stop your insults and your aggressive tone, or you will be blocked. Thank you, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
To: FutPerV
Wow... I use Wikipedia as a nationalist battlefield and not Zifkov...er,sorry, Bozinov the shamemless antisemite. If that's the case, my answer to you would have to be "Block dis, fool".
Parrisia 12:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I would still want to use W to read your crap, is that OK?
Sigh. You have been blocked for 48h for repeated uncivility and personal attacks. It's time you understand that such behaviour will not be tolerated now and in the future, so I invite you to mend your ways or risk new and possibly longer blocks.--Aldux 12:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
