Talk:Particle beam weapon

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[edit] References 4 and 5 are obviously tinfoil hat material

The Jed Margolin page claims his technology can do basically anything, including alter the flow of time. Is not a reliable reference. Come on, there are better references for particle beam technology than this. This page should be folded into the Particle beam page without any of the pseudoscience. 67.84.146.125 19:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Could a magnetic field disrupt an incoming particle beam?

I'm not able to find any evidence of this supposed "B.E.A.R. project" that's referenced in the article, either here or the internet at large. Aside from that, there are no references for this article whatsoever, and much of it (including BEAR) seems apocryphal. siafu 23:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well I did. [1] Maybe you should put this as a reference? --Kyleca 00:14, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Or you could. The paper was published pre-launch, however, so we're still short on info beyond that. siafu 00:23, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This "B.E.A.R. Project" is tinfoil hat garbage. The only references I can find about it are from websites that discuss "chemtrails"and that kind of thing. I can't find anythng non-electronic, and non-batshit crazy. Suggest we remove the "B.E.A.R. Project" stuff completely. GodHead 06:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Found a pentagon report abstract, looks like the B.E.A.R. Project was real.[2] Bigshot 05:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The idea that you cannot shield a target from a particle beam is patent nonsense. To damage a target a weapon must interact with the materials it's composed of. If it will interact with the matter of the target, it will react with shielding. Think about it: if a weapon was totally immune to shielding, it would mean it passes through all matter unchanged, which would make a somewhat useless weapon since it would go right through the target without harming it in the slightest--70.70.143.237 12:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC).

Re: "An electron particle beam weapon works by disrupting electric circuits and electronic devices in its targets. If any living animals or persons were to be caught by the electric discharge of an electron beam weapon, they would most likely be electrocuted. An electron beam weapon can also damage or melt its target by the electrical resistance heating of the target" -- I suppose the energy resulting from the electric current is rather negligible compared with the contained kinetic energy (esp. if you're talking about 1000 MeV). Heat will probably mainly come from the kinetic energy, not the electric discharge current. In any case, large doses of gamma rays will be produced when the electrons hit the target, which constitutes an additional threat to living creatures. Note that electron accelerators (with or without a target for converting the electrons into gamma rays before hitting the patient) are being used for radiotherapy. The reports on the Therac-25 accidents mention what the patients felt when they were being hit by the electron beams. IIRC it was heat, and yes, electric shocks, but they seem to have been not that major, and that has been at "only" 25 MeV. (And a note to post from 70.70.143.237: high energy particle beams seem to be able to go rather deep; and you'd also have to protect against the generated gamma rays.) Cjt2 (talk) 21:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verbs

So, looking at the article, I've got a question about the verbs used. I see verbs in the present tense, indicative mood: ionizes, uses, damages. I also note that none of those are cited. I then see some cited sentences with conditional verbs: would negate, [if]... can be generated. And there's another section, where citations, at least one of questioned reliability, indicate that particle beam weapons in a non-fictional setting never proceeded beyond experimentation that ended by the late 1980s. Thus, I ask, are or were particle beam weapons ever real, and if not, why does the article describe how they work as though they were real? The Literate Engineer 06:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nikola Tesla's Teleforce.

See Teleforce in the wikipedia page. This was a particle weapon, eh? Should this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.103.133 (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)