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[edit] haitian massacre or parsley massacre ?

I would like to invite contributors to discuss the change of name for this article. Why Parsley Massacre as oppose to Haitian Massacre?

Parsley Massacre is the most distinct name for the massacre. Haiti Massacre seems too general.

Btw, the template for this doesn't seem right as a "battle." In the vein of the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide articles, it shouldn't have such a table on the right. Also, I'll add this event to the list of massacres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.209.60 (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, this event is aptly named The Parsley Massacre based on one of the tactics used by Dominican soldiers to differentiate between dark skinned Dominicans and Hatians. The soldiers would ask dark skinned people in border towns to pronounce the word "perejil" (parsley). People of Haitan descent, whose native language is the French dialect "Patois" have a hard time pronouncing the "l" at the end of the word, and would give themselves away as being hatian the moment they spoke the word. -- 61.34.59.166 13:35, 17 November 2007

why this doesn't mention the fact that Cuba deported over 50,000, so there was massive migration to DR from the Haitian side, that would over take over 5 province in less then 3 months. DR and Haiti had no set bonders so Haiti could have had claim to those land and Trujillo did ask the Haitian gov't to stop it people from crossing the border illegally. the point it much more complicated then a race issue, it was more about land... NOT EXCUSING TRUJILLO but he did he had do to protect the land...I don't agree with the method but i do agree with the result, we got keep land that is rightfully ours. How come no one mention the genocide that took place in DR (Santiago, Mao) by Haitians hands in the early 1800s AvFnx 02:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If you can find sources on the killing of Dominicans by Haitians in the 1800s, then present them here. I agree, however, that the Dominican-Haitian articles on Wikipedia (ESPECIALLY antihaitianismo) have WAYYYYYY oversimplified the relationship between both nations. You can't transplant the typical European/U.S.A. view on race to the island of Hispaniola, yet that's exactly what these articles try to do. A case I've brought up many times is that despite certain parties wanting to paint Dominicans as racists against "blacks", no explanation is given as to why 45% of the population voted for Jose Francisco Pena Gomez...EYDrevista 04:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

understandable cause but still a terrible event in dominican & haitian history...methods were horrific & evil... Goolag 07:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] infobox

I have yet to se any article on wikipedia relating to massacres that uses the MILITARY CONFLICT box to describe a massacre (see List of massacres). It is inappropriate, not to mention innaccurate, to describe the Republic of Haiti as a combatant in this event. EYDrevista (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Also, the infobox doesn't mention anything that isn't already mentioned in the article itself.

i took an infobox that was on the holocaust and made a few changes and placed it on this page. Armyguy11 (talk) 01:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The infobox has now been half-assedly changed to an unattractive, horizontal box that adds nothing to the article other than summarizing it. The Holocaust article doesn't have such an infobox *(all the infoboxes as of right now relate to numbering the victims by location/ethnic group)*. Look, at the end of the day the infobox just doesn't really help the article, as the information is already presented succinctly in the article. All it is doing right now is a) unnecessarily cluttering the article and b) breaking with the trend of no infobox being used in most "massacre" or "genocide" articles.EYDrevista (talk) 05:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If you looked at the holocaust there are actually several infoboxes. This is one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Soviet_POWs You said before there wasn't any infobox and now most don't have one. Well I moved it lower in the article so it will be less cluttered. It was in the article for a long time until removed at this point [1] and then removed again [2] . I agree with the original contributer of the infobox [3] and would like to get his opinion on this. Armyguy11 (talk) 06:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Armyguy, I did mention that there were infoboxes in the Holocaust article of a different kind (I have put these in asterisks so you can read them easily). Yes, the article had an infobox for the longest time, and it wasn't helping any. Now I see that you have moved the info box one paragraph down, which doesn't help much, but meh. (Btw, the infobox has an unused column at the end.) I'm leaving it in there for now, it seems to mean a lot to you. By the by, I was checking around my old edits and I noticed why this bothers you so much. It's not the infobox, but rather the fact that I criticized your childish pluralizing (using apostrophes!) in the antihaitanismo article. Don't take these things personally, man. EYDrevista (talk) 07:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

When I originally placed the military conflict template on the article, I was basing its use off of a similar application in an article on a massacre during the ongoing Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Unfortunately that was quite some time ago so I can't recall which article. It was mostly in an effort to wikify an article that was otherwise quite scholarly but not conforming to Wikipedia's style standards. I'm certainly not married to the infobox being used here, and the current horizontal infobox currently does nothing good for the article in my opinion.--Rosicrucian ^Talk 15:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Rosicrucian, I'll remove the infobox :) EYDrevista (talk) 23:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, an infobox is helpful. Which is what we all need to understand. i placed it in the bottom. Armyguy11 (talk) 02:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes that only summarize content within the article itself are much less helpful at the bottom. I'm not certain that placement really enhances the article as opposed to it being removed altogether.--Rosicrucian ^Talk 03:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

alright, when will a consensus be reached? Armyguy11 (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Explain why you think it needs to be there. I see no reason why it should be, and several why it shouldn't, explained above. Plasynins (talk) 22:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

if you read above i gave an answer several times. please do not stalk me. thank you . Armyguy11 (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

You said: "Alright, an infobox is helpful. Which is what we all need to understand."

You have not responded to the arguments as to why it should be removed. Plasynins (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

there was a box there before, but no one seemed to like it. they had whatever reasons to remove it. i made a new box so a consensus can be reached. Armyguy11 (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

But why does there have to be a box at all? Infoboxes aren't required or anything. If the same info is already there in the body, there's no need for a box. The article is not so long as to need a summary. Anyway you guys need to stop edit-warring. Yemal (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The holocaust has a similiar box. This was a similiar incident. Armyguy11 (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but look at the size of that article, it is many times as large. There it looks like an infobox summarizes the info in a helpful way, because the article is so lengthy. I don't think you can directly compare it to this one. And the horizontal one is really sort of awkward, agreement with User:Rosicrucian's statement above about this. Surely you can see why a horizontal box can't go on the top like that. Yemal (talk) 23:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

If a vertical box is made can an infobox be agreed upon? Armyguy11 (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Why do you want an infobox so badly? The information about the casualties is right there in the first paragraph. The other stuff can just be added as well. I don't see what the purpose of a box would be.Yemal (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to say, the random adding of the Parsley Massacre's infobox at the top of articles like Antihaitianismo and the spamming of unrelated talkpages to try to drum up support don't make me very favorably disposed to the box's inclusion.--Rosicrucian ^Talk 01:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)