Talk:Parliament of Northern Ireland

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Contents 1 Location 2 Gerard Newe's appointment 3 Use of Éire and the Irish Free State 4 Legal barring of abstentionism 5 POV statement 6 One party rule? 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Connor painting.jpg 8 Peers in the Commons

[edit] Location

I need to check the dates but please note the Parliament intitially met in Belfast's City Hall for the first few occasions before moving into the Presbyterian Church in Ireland's Belfast theological college (then Assembly's College but now known as Union Theological College) for the period 1921 until Stormont opened.

[edit] Gerard Newe's appointment

Lapsed Pacifist keeps reverting whenever anyone NPOVs the following:

Stormont was abolished just six weeks after Bloody Sunday when the Unionist Government refused to hand over responsibility for law and order to Westminster. In its 50-year history, only one piece of legislation was passed that originated from the Nationalists (concerning wildlife). In October 1971, Gerard Newe, a Catholic UUP MP, had been appointed as a junior minister at Stormont, in a belated (and ultimately futile) attempt to improve community relations. He was the first Catholic to serve in a Northern Ireland government. Northern Ireland and Mexico are alone in the Western world in having spent more than half the 20th century under one-party rule.

I have reverted this (or equivalent) a few times because it is clearly a POV opinion. Recent Northern Irish history is fraught with controversy and Lapsed Pacifist has a record of entering some of these controversies on Wikipedia - see User talk:Lapsed Pacifist for a number of these. Timrollpickering 19:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe it is POV. How can you argue the attempt was not belated, when this could have been done by the UUP at any time in their fifty-year rule, and was only done when the parliament faced dissolution?

Lapsed Pacifist 19:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

What about a statement saying that "the Catholic community believed his appointment was belated"? --JW1805 20:00, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Why, did the Protestant community believe it was prompt?

Lapsed Pacifist 20:05, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Just trying to suggest a compromise. --JW1805 20:13, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The attempt was belated, by anyone's standards. I added futile, because I don't see the case for it being successful.

Lapsed Pacifist 20:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous edit was mine.

Lapsed Pacifist 05:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Éire and the Irish Free State

The state stopped being the Irish Free State in 1937 and the title has only been used since then by very POV refusniks. The constitution for the new incarnation from 1937 states "The name of the state is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland." Whilst Éire has a confused application, it is the title often used to describe the state between 1937 and 1949 when the Free State is clearly an outdated term and the "Republic of Ireland" has not yet been declared. Note that on Wikipedia's list of Irish states since 1171 "Éire" is the title given for the 1937-1949 incarnation and the navboxes take readers to the same page.

Lapsed Pacifist if you feel the names used are wrong then the place to raise these objections is on the pages with those names. Entering into your usual reversion wars on other pages that are not primarily concerned with that is a pointless exercise and the changes will not last. Timrollpickering 09:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Generally agreed, whilst "Eire" is not a favorite of mine (I prefer "Ireland (Eire)") it is a better alternative to "Irish Free State". Similarily the use of "Republic of Ireland" is premature. Their is a Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Lapsed Pacifist page in any case if LP is unwilling to be reasonable. Djegan 17:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Legal barring of abstentionism

I vaguelly recall noticing in UK newspapers from the later 1930s that a law was introduced to make elected MPs take the oath and attend Stormont but am not sure when it came in. Does anyone know? Timrollpickering 09:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV statement

With the 1929 general election the Unionists dumped the hated proportional representation system

I'm not sure that this has an NPOV as it is not clear who "hated" the PR system. I think this could be rerwritten thus:

With the 1929 general election the Unionist government abolished proportional representation system

but I'm not too fixated on the exact wording. What do others think? Regan123 18:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One party rule?

if northern Ireland has never been an independent state, than how does it fit into the list of states under one party rule? other sub-national entities have had similar one party rule, ie the American South

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Connor painting.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peers in the Commons

Presumably there was no rule against Peers sitting in the House of Commons at Stormont, given Brookeborough holding his seat from '52 - '63? --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)