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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 France? 1.2 Stub 1.3 wikipedia editors alert! 1.4 please fix this, someone 1.5 Making some additions: Racial Equality Proposal 1.6 Yea 1.7 OK

[edit] Comments

[edit] France?

There is no mention of French aims here.

Yes. Wretched article. The French position is key. 41.241.13.236 22:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stub

I'm going to point out this is a stub and let someone beat me to it if they do it by tommorow. This page doesn't even have all the treaties. Where is Japan? Certainly not a huge player in WWI itself, but they made waves here, and regardless of what Woodrow Wilson thought about Racial equality, or if Vittro Orlando thought the United States should cede New York City to Italy based on italian population, it's definately a more interesting event than this. --Shanoyu 09:04, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] wikipedia editors alert!

This article is filled with mistakes and deliberate errors.

see "internazism" ... "Ho Ho" pants rather than parts, etc.

[edit] please fix this, someone

This is a really, really important page, and it's terrible. The Australian approach? Who cares? I'll do it myself if I have to, but I'm a newbie and I'd love to let someone more qualified do it.

[edit] Making some additions: Racial Equality Proposal

I just added some new material about the Japanese Racial Equality Proposal. Properly cited from [Shimazu (1998)], however I'm not sure about how to do a numbered citation linking. Anyway, I thought I would leave it for long enough that someone might have a chance to check the references. Since I know that responsible Wikipedians actually do care about citations, despite what all the critics of Wikipedia purport. --TensionWind 21:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on the statement in that section "It should be noted that the Japanese delegation did not realize the full ramafications of their proposal and the challenge its adoption would have put to the established norms of the (Western dominated) international system of the day. " I would like to have the article explicitly say what the full ramafications are, and what the actual challenge it's adoption would have put. I am not entirely clear on what is being said in the statement at this point. --68.60.55.162 09:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yea

In the text following "The proposal received a majority vote on 28 April 1919. 11 out of the 17 delegates present voted in favor to its amendment to the charter, and no negative vote was taken. The votes for the amendment tallied thus:" the votes in favour are called 'yea' votes. This seems to me to be an americanism, or at least, I see no reason to use that word. Wouldn't 'yes' of 'in favour' be better, or just a list with yes? greetz, Nightworker 17:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not "yeah" as in "She Loves You, Yeah Yeah Yeah", it's "Yea" as in "Let your yeas be yeas and your nays be nays". AnonMoos 10:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Desperately needs a rewrite...

This article is subject to an appallingly American Bias, specifically the information under the heading "United States approach". To complain that:

"...the United States hoped to establish a more liberal and diplomatic world where democracy and sovereignty would be respected. However, Wilson's attempts to ensure that his Fourteen Points would lead to change ultimately failed, after France and Britain refused to adopt its core principles of liberty and self-determination, in part because of the control they wielded over their colonies around the world. The leaders of Europe were more interested in retaining glory for their empires"

is to entirely misunderstand the territorial security concerns of the French, or the perceived threat of Bolshevism in Central and Eastern Europe. Equally Lloyd-George was keen to offer a moderate solution to the Germans to avoid only securing a short term peace. The fourteen points were a set of high-minded ambiguous principles which were incapable of being formed into a concrete solution to the myriad problems affecting Europe in the aftermath of the war. It is also questionable to argue that the League of Nations was an entirely American construct, when it was an organisation they failed to join.

I find the 'America as bastion of democracy and freedom' message of this section of the article nauseating considering America's main aim in the Conference was to make sure its debts were paid, not forgetting that it was the American President who overturned the racial equality principle.

When I have more time (I am currently preparing for my Dissertation), I think this article needs to have a more global view, especially concerning the effects on the 'successor states' of Central and Eastern Europe, and to have its deification of Wilson removed.

Warro mike 16:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Mike Anderson

[edit] OK

This is really well written and researched for a non-traditional yet objective approach in writing history. If we can get more articles of this quality, we should have no problems with making Wikipedia a norm for academic writing. More less making history enjoyable for everyone rather than a propaganda tool for nationalism. ~~Anonymous M.A. History —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.3.249 (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)