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[edit] About the France and Qing Dynasty's Tienjin Treaty in 1885

Although you can argue that Qing lost the actual control of Paracel, the legal "border agreement of China/Vietnam" followed by 1887, France did state Paracel, Spratly islands belong to Qing Dynasty China. The problem is that probably no country will recognize this old "unequal" treaty. so...............--Jerrychen0067 09:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ============ China has never had controlled of the Paracel Island

China has never had controlled of the Paracel Island until Ho Chi Minh agreed to offer tribute to Mao in 1954 for getting help from the communist leader.

[edit] Vietnamese claim

These islands seem to belong to Vietnam. Why isn't there more information about a Vietnamese claim to them?--Sir Edgar 05:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Seems Vietnamese claim was based on the annexation by French Indochina in 1932. — Instantnood 21:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Reference document for Vietnamese claims: [1] DHN 23:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Before French Indochina, Vietnam was used to be under the protection of China and a tributary state of China, sometimes, even a province of China, so in what basis "these islands seem to belong to Vietnam" I wonder? The Chinese fishermen and merchants use these islands longer than Vietnamese. These islands have been found more Chinese heritages than Vietnamese. The French empire "stole" these islands away while China was weak, and there were no formal treaties signed between France and China regarding to the status of these islands.--Jerrychen0067 10:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Protection ?, a tributary state  ? a province of China  ? Who need your protection, which is your triburary state ? Or we had said we are Chinese ? We are other civil, Vietnamese civil. Our country founded before China, but yes, because we were weak, Chinese Empire stole us the independence for 10 centuries. But our cultural wasn't with intermingled by the Chinese cultural,yes our culture was under influence of Chinese cultural, we borrow it to build our own culture not use it to MIXED and CREATED our cultural. Today, some brainless man,learnt History form one side ( the side yelled We are Higher-ranking mandkind another are dog; our Emperor are God's son another Kings are servant of Him,Our country is a Heavenly Empire and other are none, WE are super man who eat paper instead of dumpling, use fake drug but still remain strong!...)will never know it.
try to keep your nationalist hogwash down aye? I'm sure it makes u look high and mighty in your own country but on here, all it does is to make you look like an idiot...oh wait, whats the difference between ultranationalists and idiots again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.13.143 (talk) 03:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

84.19.57.254 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:57, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Do you chinese people think there is not enough land for you to survive? What on Earth you guys ask for something not belong to you? Let's see, these islands is 200 km distance to Vietnam and 230 km distance to Hainan, China. What do you think about that?84.19.57.254 01:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Falkland islands are close to Agentina, but far away from U.K. Don't the British have enough space to survive? --Jerrychen0067 08:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes, English taken Falkland during their Great Conquest of Britain ( or Great Invasions of Briton) and China had done the same way. You said China taken the Island during 18th century? Ya, we claimed it from 15th century : Map of the Island by [[Le Dynasty. Today, some hungry dog forced us give it. But remember this is a part of Great Viet not a part of Heaven Empire. 84.19.57.254
Sorry, I found the "Tienjin Treaty" signed between France and Qing Dynasty in 1885 and later "the border agreement" add-on document signed in 1887 did clearly state the Paracel islands and Spratly islands belong to China. Well, I belive no one would recognize that "uneaqual" treaty today; however, it is probably the latest international treaty regarding to the status of Paracel and Spratly. --Jerrychen0067 09:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

LET SEE, THE GREAT VIET WAS NMAE GIVING BY THE CHINSE; THAT MEANS THAT LET RULE THAT LAND BUT NOT OWN THEM, GET IT!

[edit] Claim by the ROC

When did the ROC start claiming Paracel and other islands in the South China Sea? Was it done right after its establishment? Did the Qing government have similar claim? — Instantnood 21:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

  • there is a good history of land claims here:

    The most proactive claimant in the region is China. In 1909 it seized some islands in Xisha (the Paracels). In 1946 it seized Itu Aba (in the Spratlys) and Phu Lan Island (in the Paracels). In 1950's China seized additional Hoang Sa (Paracels) islands, which it forcibly repeated in 1974. Vietnam claims that these acts were unlawful and that the United States in 1974 conspired with China for the take-over of the Paracels.

    [2] and a chart [3] SchmuckyTheCat 22:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I did not find the source of 1909 stuff. What is that? I have another question. Where do the island belong to during Japanese occupation? Taiwan province? --Jjok 03:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

In 1909 Qing dynasty did send a small navy force to occupy Paracel; Paracel and Spratly were officially under the administration of Canton(Guangtong) Province.--Jerrychen0067 09:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Another thing important is that there were live evidence: tombs and wells were there in Par. and every "real" seven Spratly islands, not to remind of Chinese coins and those bowls and pots. What's more, Viet Nam officials and maps once indicated these two groups of islands belong to China, only after VN invaded Cambodia and chanllenged China —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camphorjoshua (talk • contribs) 18:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)