Talk:Pannier

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[edit] Restored deletions

I've restored much of the text deleted in this edit. I understand that the section is lacking in citation. Many of the facts here are "common knowledge" type facts that one learns through use and experience, so seeking a good citation will take time. I believe that deleting the bulk of an article as "minutia" on a topic involving luggage is a bit hasty. Two of the most important considerations of any type of luggage are its use and its construction. So we should probably have bits in the article about how it is used and constructed. The restored text is not a trivia section which could be removed after incorporating necessary facts into the article, but rather an attempt at fluid prose which discusses the topic at hand in a neutral way. Improve it if possible (completely rewrite it if you like!) but please do not remove it without discussing beforehand. Thanks! :)

—siroχo 00:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Facts that one learns through use an experience counts as original research. Wikipedia entries should always be able to be backed up through a secondary source. I do agree with you that such a large deletion may have been extreme. I cleaned up the main "Bicycle Panniers" section; I think it reads much better now. The "Construction" section is not very informative, but if you think it's important that readers know that panniers are usually made of nylon it's fine. The section which I renamed "Purchasing" is really giving advice on how to choose a pannier. Wikipedia articles shouldn't be giving advice, which is why I included it on the drastic cut. So while most of the information I can see keeping, the "things to consider" should definitely be considered for deletion.

—In Defense of the Artist (talk) 14:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed that they should be backed up by a secondary source. Sometimes when a fact is "common knowledge" it just takes time to find a reliable source for such information. Anayways, I think you are right about the purchasing section. That information is intermingled with some construction information. Now that you've pointed it out I've slightly reworked the construction section to include water-reppellency and attachment, which are important to construction. I've completely removed the bit about purchasing considerations, and the purchasing section as a whole.—siroχo 11:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pannier tank

Pannier tank is already listed in Pannier (disambiguation). Does it need to be described in this article as well? -AndrewDressel 22:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Pass. I just edited what was already there... EdJogg 00:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)