Talk:Pangasinan

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I do not understand the connection of the topic under the Spread of Islam to Pangasinan, before or after Spanish colonization. Before the Spanish civilization, the people from Pangasinan had its own set of beliefs independent from Islam.

It seems appropriate to remove that section.

They definitely had their own set of beliefs, independent from Islam, before the arrival of the Spaniards. Still, the question remains as to whether or not the Pangasinan were Islamized or at least in the process of being converted to Islam at the time the Spaniards arrived.
It is pure conjecture, which is without basis, that the Pangasinan people were Islamized in pre-Spanish Pangasinan. There were records that they had contacts with China since the 10th century (some chieftains even visited China) and yet it is not widely considered that Pangasinan was Sinified or China was Pangasinized. Arikasikis 17:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Questionable Neutrality

It seems the(some) editor was "pro-San Carlos City" with him repeatedly presenting his opinion. Encyclopedia is about fact and not opinion. Please bother neutralizing this article and informations are based on rumors not citing the source.

[edit] Coastal Pangasinan

I read in Pangasinan language#Distribution that Pangasinan is spoken in the central parts of the province. I’d like to know, though, which language or languages are primarily spoken on the coastline, the beaches. Thanks.

[edit] Questionable

It is doubtful, whether there was a wide support for Katipunan in Pangasinan, because of the existence of Guardia Honor, which was mass-based compared to Katipunan. Arikasikis 17:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It is also questionable to connect Pangasinan with Sumeria and Akkadia. This is pure conjecture. The use of Malay is also questionable to describe Pangasinan, which had more contacts with China and Japan than with the Malay empires. Pangasinan language and Bahasa-Melayu are also very different. Describing Pangasinan as Malay is similar to describing the Malays as Pangasinan, which is a bit absurd. There may be kingdoms in pre-Spanish Philippines to have contacts with Langkasuka kingdom of the Malay Peninsula in Malaysia, the Srivijaya empire in Indonesia, but as far as I know there are no records that the Kingdom of Caboloan had contacts with these empires.

It is again questionable to connect Pangasinan with the Ainus of Japan, because the Ainus come from Central Asia and there features are far from Austronesian. Arikasikis 18:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kaboloan?

The third paragraph, especially the first sentence, is debatable. It seems that the one who included that part was too sure that a certain Luyag na Kaboloan of Urduja really existed. The luyag and the princess still remain myths nowadays and aren't confirmed yet. J.J. Nario ilyk2learn 11:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caboloan is Real; Urduja, Not

Caboloan existed; its capital was Binalatongan, now San Carlos City. What is a myth is Urduja and her kingdom called Tawalisi. Now Lingayeños claim that Tawalisi existed in northwestern Luzon; its capital was what is now Lingayen. However, historians refute the Urduja story, because the Amazonic princess actually lived somewhere in either Java or Sumatra in Indonesia. Don't confuse San Carlos' Caboloan with Urduja's Tawalisi. Urduja is a myth, the luyag is not; San Carlos City's being the first town founded by the Spaniards in Pangasinan attests to that fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.37.123 (talk) 10:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Can anyone tell me which municipalities and cities in Pangasinan speak Pangasinan? and Ilocano? Thanks. --Filipinayzd (talk) 09:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pro-San Carlos City? i doubt...

well, i think the facts presented are true...being a san carleñian myself, i think i and my people have been done great injustice...a manifestation of that is the non-attendance of provincial officials in the traditional Eugenio Perez Day celebration last year in our city..

it seems, to me, and my people, that not getting what is rightfully and deservingly ours, is an insult to our city and the entire province as well.

i commend wikipedia for such an eye-opening article...as it is said in the New Testament, "the truth shall set you free" - free from the influence of the false power of imperial Lingayen!

We want the capital back to us! --124.217.93.210 (talk) 10:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)