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Here are some tasks you can do:
  • Requests: Add a Geography/Climate Section.
  • Copyedit: Article could bear some copyediting.
  • Merge: Nature in the City and Panama City as Tourist Destination.
  • Verify: Those cites that use La Prensa Newspaper as a Source.
  • Cleanup: History Section.
  • Expand: Information on the World Heritage Site could be expanded. "Demographics" section should include information on ethnic, economic, and education characteristics of the population.
  • Other: Photograph section could be removed, and at least should be placed closer to the bottom. All sections should have at least one reference citation, preferably one per paragraph.

what are some events that happened in panama before 1492

Why 1492? Because that's the year Columbus landed in the Caribbean? But that's the Caribbean, not Panama, so I don't see the link. Or is this fetishist use of the year, representing the big change that was coming to America as a whole? DirkvdM 08:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] What can fill more the header

I wanted to ask this because most important cities do have large, informative headers, but I'm out of ideas, do you know what should go in it?

Cocoliras (talk) 01:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Should we indicate Panama City's name as Panama City, Panama, or leave it like this. 201.218.82.81 22:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Why was the photo from Cerro Ancon resized and moved up? Does it render badly for someone? I suppose most people will have a scree well over 800 pixels wide these days. I've moved it back for now. I've also shuffled the pics again, partly because the causeway was built by the US, so it's more in place where I put it.

Also, two of the other photos (the ones of and from NAOS) were very blue tinged, which I corrected, but this has reduced the quality of the photos somewhat. And the photo of the view of Panama from NAOS isn't too brilliant I'd say. Hope I don't insult anyone by saying this. DirkvdM 08:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Canal and racial tensions

Glad to see the citation request for the following quote, but I push to remove it from the article altogether:

... most of the workers involved in the construction of the canal were brought in from the Caribbean, which created unprecedented racial and social tensions in the city.

As it is it implies that the majority of Caribbean immigrants came after the 1903 treaty that granted canal construction rights to the United States, where other sources say this happened to a greater extent during the earlier French attempts to construct the canal. If tensions did increase from a sudden influx of foreigners then of course it should be included, but the timing needs to be verified. 190.10.1.35 (talk) 12:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

I think that Panama City Article isn´t adverting, Panama City economy as many other Countries in the World, is heavily based in tourism, so is logical to make many references about it, but I agree that should be more information about another matters. So I ask to the person who put the template to consider if it is really necessary and if posibly enhance the content certain subcategories "Beaches" or "Nature". Nando Cdl 07:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this article moved?

It should be moved back to "Panama City, Panama". If you are editing in ENGLISH Wikipedia, you should abide by the pronunciation in English where there are no accent marks (tildes) in names. Regardless of the editor being an American or Panamanian, the page should be moved back to the English pronunciation.--Schonbrunn 21:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Support Seems pretty obvious to me, this in English wiki.--Aldux 14:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support spell both as English spells them. See WP:NCGN. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - English spelling, as with the Panama article. Also no need for the country dab - just "Panama City" is enough. -- Beardo 03:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Skyscraper

Could someone think about make a section in this article about the real state boom (without fall in advertising) or it should be created a new article about this. I saw tha Kuala Lumpur has a whole article about its infraestructure and its skycrapers.


[edit] Urban Problems

Please if anyone sees that something isn`t correctly sourced then just erase the references, not the whole article, and please be nice and give some advice before, so the person who cited the references could be able to make something to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.140.161.149 (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

If anyone isn`t agree with the information in the article just let us know before make a major significant change in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.140.161.149 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to ask user Schonbrunn where does he lives (country) and if he do actually knows to speak spanish.190.140.161.149 (talk) 02:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Nando Cdl (talk) 17:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rstoration of information on internet access

The source for this magazine is a widely circulated magazine. As such, it very likely qualifies as a reliable source, as per WP:RS. It is not considered reasonable conduct for any party to unilaterally remove sourced information. If a party wishes to try to establish that the information is from an advertisement, I believe it is incumbent upon that party to establish that, not only to his own satisfaction, but also to the satisfaction of the majority of other interested editors. To date, I have seen no such attempt at determining consensus. Therefore, I am restoring this sourced information until such time as the consensus clearly supports its removal. John Carter (talk) 14:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I wanna state that the Prensa Newspaper is a widely circulated newspaper and one of the most importants newspapers of Panama. As a important national newspaper it qualifies as a reliable source. If somebody desagrees please write it here before erase a entire section. Nando Cdl (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that La Prensa is not a widely circulated newspaper. The problem is that the content comes from an op/ed piece, so it should not be considered as factual. As I said below, let's try to add information that adds value and does not sound as an advertisement or a tourist guide.--Schonbrunn (talk) 21:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)--Schonbrunn (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The sources used seem to meet the criteria of WP:V, so they can qualify for inclusion in the article. Having said that, I agree that many may not reach the standard of respectable academic output, as per WP:RS, and that more reliable sources should be used if they can be found. However, the current sources could probably be used until and unless more reliable sources can be found. John Carter (talk) 14:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Innovations

According to WP: Central America and WP: Cities, I have added the Heritage Site Section and I have cited the UNESCO Official Site directly, please if somebody can help to expand this section, do it. Nando Cdl (talk) 17:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I propose to MERGE the Nature in the City and Panama City as a Tourism Destinacion Sections into a Single Section. Please leave your comments or Support. Nando Cdl (talk) 17:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

And I think we should add a Geography/Climate Section.Nando Cdl (talk) 17:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Problems

The information in this section is not sourced from facts. It comes from two opinion articles published in different newspapers. Given that they are only an opinion, the information is not properly sourced. It should not be included.

Also, language and content that are not proper for an encyclopedia should not be used. For example, in the introduction, it shouldn't say that it has a "nice skyline". The content should be more objective, or else it falls into sounding more as advertisement and the article is then not taken seriously.--Schonbrunn (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)--Schonbrunn (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok now we are getting a consensus, I agree with you in the introduction point. About the references, I will get more facts from serious sources. Nando Cdl (talk) 21:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Urban Problems References

I agree with user Schonbrunn that the reference #16 "Burica Press" in not serious enough because is not from a well known newspaper, and that references from La Prensa Newspaper are from the opinion section, but this articles are actually essays from arquitechs, engeneers and lawyers, so they are talking seriously about this problems, they are not making up all this stuff, and at the same time they cited serious facts in they essays. The articles itself have references. Please before make signficant changes lets reconsiderer this sources and give the time to get more. Nando Cdl (talk) 22:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Despite these urban planning problems[18], Panama City's poor population drops as its Shanty towns develop to become residential districts and abandon the widespread poverty. These former slums are now housing for most of the Panamanian lower middle class. There are currently only two slums left in the city, the largest being Cerro Patacón (Plantain Mountain) and El Chorrillo, which is recovering from its decadence thanks to the investing opportunities and the historical reminisence of the town.
Does this add value? I do not think so. Isn't Cerro Patacon a landfill? It is not a "slum". This is not sourced and should not be in the article--Schonbrunn (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)--

Schonbrunn (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

OK I didn´t write this section, but I know that Cerro Patacon is both a landfill and a slum, because many people use the garbage from the garbage land fill to build their homes, yes it is a both things. Nando Cdl (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC) And I thinks that this paragraph adds value because it shows that Panama City is changing for good.Nando Cdl (talk) 22:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The phrasing could definitely be improved. Also, it would help if there were a specific source found which states that Cerro Patacon is a slum. Otherwise, making such a statement would qualify as a violation of WP:OR. Also, the word "slum" generally indicates that that particular location is where the people actually live. If they don't live in the landfill, the landfill isn't a slum. It may be a place where people acquire construction materials for building in the slums, but that's not the same thing. And even such statements about how the city is changing would benefit from having a source make them, as saying them ourselves is a bit of an OR violation. John Carter (talk) 14:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
It should definetely be rephrased and sourced. Otherwise it should be removed. In my opinion, it does not add value--Schonbrunn (talk) 18:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


OK OK I agree, I know that people actually lives there, but I can`t prove it. A nyway I saw tha changes that Schonbrunm did and I agree with them. Nando Cdl (talk) 22:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)