Talk:Pallium
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Something is wrong with the last sentence in the third paragraph, but I'm not sure how it should read. Currently it is: "The lambs whose wool is destined for the making, of the pallia are solemnly presented at the altar by the nuns of the convent of Saint Agnes at March, 1644." What does "at March, 1644" have to do with the rest of the subject of the sentence? Any Roman Catholic experts want to weigh in on this? --Jarsyl 09:08, 2004 Sep 29 (UTC)
Much of this information (especially things from the old Catholic Encyclopedia) is out of date. Nowadays, metropolitan archbishops generally receive the pallium directly from the Pope in Rome on the Feast or Vigil of SS. Peter and Paul. Also, there should be information about the pallium the current Holy Father uses, and how it is closer in appearance to that of earlier centuries. --69.210.209.88 18:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- The article could certainly use a massive cleanup regardless. It used to me much shorter, but a few months ago someone dumped the CE material into it without adjustments for what was already said. TCC (talk) (contribs) 19:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The article says paying for the pallium was condemned in 1432. That may be the case, but it isn't very important. As linking article [Albert of Mainz] and the history of the Protestant Reformation clearly show, paying for it was still practice at least through the early 1500s. 66.108.192.183 17:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Definition
As far as I can tell, this use of the word Pallium is very narrow. Originally, a Pallium was just a specific type of greek cloak. It certainly predates christianity, since the roman emperor Augustus is noted for denouncing Roman citizens who wore the Pallium instead of the Roman toga. In my opinion, either a note of this should be included in this article, or a separate article should be made. Edit: There is an extensive description of the general form of the Pallium at [1] which seems to also have lots of sources that could be used in a wiki description of this item. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.52.114.2 (talk • contribs).
- It is, however, what the word means to the modern reader. To cross this with a kind of cloak would only lend confusion.
- I suppose from this link that "pallium" was a Latin translation of himation? That is the proper Greek name for the Greek cloak, which is provided there numerous times, so to that extent the garment already has an article. Perhaps just a brief sentence with a link is all that's needed. How that Latin word came to apply to the vestment known in Greek as the omophorion, I don't really know. I note that Lewis & Short give the first definition of the word as "covering", so perhaps the name for the vestment was adopted from the more general sense of the word, as something that covered the shoulders. TCC (talk) (contribs) 02:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Which is it?
The use of the pallium is reserved to the pope and archbishops who are metropolitans, but the latter may not use it until it is conferred upon them by the pope, normally at the celebration of the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul in June.
or is it:
the liturgy for the conferral of the pallium as it appears in the liturgical books is to take place at the beginning of the Mass in which the archbishop takes possession of his see
I understand what is meant: that the letter of the law is that it is conferred at the first mass of a metropolitan archbishop in his see, but that the common practice has been, under JPII and BXVI, to give them during the Mass immediately after they are blessed. Should the wording change, be simplified, or is it self evident enough as is?--Vidkun 14:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
