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Contents 1 Origin 2 fact check 3 Culture 4 Influence abroad 5 Qualify the people making the quotes 6 Flag/Emblem? 7 WikiProject Dravidian civilizations 8 Indian Kingdoms and Borders, 600 AD 9 Removed POV Template

[edit] Origin

There are many conjenctures which strongly point towards Pahlava/Kambhoja origin of Pallavas. 1. Palnadu (roughly present day Guntur district of Andhra Pradesh) was the seat of Satavahanas under whom Pallavas were vassals and who became independent later. 'Palnadu' can be traced to 'Pallava Nadu'. 2. The same region was known as Kammanadu since 3rd century CE. The origin of the name can be traced to Kambhojas akin to Pallavas who ruled the region. 3. The Pallava-Cambodian connection can be traced to the name Kambhoja and Khmer (Kammavar, a caste that is still predominant in Palnadu/Kammanadu region). 4. The language spoken by ancient Pallavas was Tenugu/Telungu/Telugu. 5. Many Puranic evidences spoke of Kambhoja settlements in South India (E.g Garuda Purana). 6. A popular anthology of stories in Telugu language "Kambhoja Raju Kathalu" (Stories of Kambhoja king).

Origin of Pallava is highly misleading. Somebody is trying to promote their propoganda of glorifying the legacy of Persian or Central Asian culture. I mean somebody is trying to force the opinion that Pallavas and Chalukyas are of Central Asian origin, which similar to the attempt of connecting Shakyamuni (Buddha) to Saka origin, based on pseudo-historic references. Such arguments are a disgrace to Wikipedia.

Pallavas

Dance forms on the beaches of mahabalipuram pay respect to the kings of the pallava dynasty

[edit] fact check

• Last pallava king Nripathungan ruled from 869. --Vyzasatya 22:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• From this reference

The Mamallapuram Prasasti: A Panegyric in Figures Michael D. Rabe Artibus Asiae, Vol. 57, No. 3/4. (1997), pp. 189-241. Narasimhavarman III's rule ended 869. Make changes Accordingly.

Noticed lot of discripancies in the kings timelines. Whoever wrote the original timeline please cite the source so that it can be verified --Vyzasatya 22:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• The middle pallava succession given here seems to be proposed by T.V.Mahalingam in Kañcipuram in early South Indian history. Another two succession lines are given by different historians

--Vyzasatya 23:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• We need reference from an authoritative source for the following view:

Lajwantsingh1965

Second view is that they were an offshoot from the Cholas. It is claimed that the Pallavas were a lineage of the Chola kings who went on a maritime journey and begot a child who formed a seperate branch (Pallavam,meaning bud in Sanskrit).

[edit] Culture

How come there is nothing written about the culture during the Pallavas' reign? --Madhu 12:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you write something?

Parthi (Venu62) 21:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I would if I have any information and references on that. --Madhu 14:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influence abroad

Pallavas were instrumental in spreading Vedic culture to South East Asia and had cordial relationship with Sri Lankan kings thus influencing their architecture and other cultural aspects. Cambodian kings claimed origin from a Pallava era Brahmin immigrant from Kanchipuram? Anyway someone should check this out and add it to this articleRaveenS 20:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the post. A good book to look into would be The Pallavas of Kanchi. I have read in several books that the first king of Cambodia was Kaundiniya I. There was also a Kaundiniya who ruled parts of Malaya and Inonesia. Wiki Raja 18:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Pallava monarch Narasimhavarman helped the Sri Lankan prince Manavanma to regain his throne from his uncle, Manavanma was also said to have participated in the Vatapi campaign on Narasimhavarman's side.

Ref: Narasimhavarman, Mayilai.Seeni.Venkatasami (Tamil) Simha_NV 08:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Qualify the people making the quotes

The people quoted in the origins section are not given qualifications. Who are these people? What are their qualifications to make these statements? Where do they teach; what do they do? These need to be included. Also, the last quote is not sperated from the rest of the text with italics so it's impossible to tell where the quote ends. Can an expert fix this?--Lendorien 18:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag/Emblem?

Why is that the flags or emblems of Pallava's is not mentioned in this aritcle? All the South Indian dynasties had a flag/emblem of their own, Pallavas had Rishaba (the bull), which was later changed in to Simma (the lion) by Narasimhavarman to mark his victory over the Chalukyas at Vatabi (i am not sure of this fact, please check!) -Simha_NV 08:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

Wiki Raja 09:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Kingdoms and Borders, 600 AD

I have 2 different source maps for the borders of India, circa 600 AD, and they both show major differences. The first map's source is listed, I don't remember my source for the 2nd map. Also, looking at the www.WorldHistory.com map of India in 586 AD, it is also different from these 2 maps. Which of these maps shows the correct borders for India in 600 AD? Thomas Lessman (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed POV Template

Removed POV template showing the kingdoms of Northern India as Empires, and kingdoms of Southern India as dynasties. No evidence as to whether all Northern kingdoms were Empires, while all Southern kingdoms were dynasties. Ashoka kingdom of Northern India is an Empire since it has controlled everything in South Asia outside its boundaries accept for Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Sri Lanka. While the Cholas of Southern India is also an Empire stretching from South India to Sri Lanka, Maldives, Malaysia, Sumatra, and Java with its Navies. "Middle Kingdoms of India" template shows only bias towards Indo-Aryan kingdoms, and also making it seem that the Indian Union existed for thousands of years. Wiki Raja (talk) 06:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)