Talk:Palestinian immigration (Israel)

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Infiltration is a POV word. It implies a devious intent. Why then don't Israelis refer to Illegal Jewish migration to Palestine in the mid-forties as 'Jewish Infiltration'. The casting of Palestinians as "devious" is inconsistent with NPOV. -Sv

Hey, Sv! While I agree with your sentiment that infiltration is a loaded term, I do not like immigration either. An immigrant is usually someone who comes from one country and resettles in another country. In the case of the Palestinians, this is not the case. They were from the country, either fled or were expelled from it, and tried to return or at least to rescue abandoned property there. Furthermore, they were still living in what to them was the same country, albeit in a different region and under a different occupying power. Finally, in practically all instances they did not settle in their old homes--rather they remained refugees. In brief, I agree that infiltration is not the right word, but I don't think immigration is. Danny 01:48 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)


Man, if I had a suggestion, I woulda put it in. ;-) It is a tough call. In general, it should be part of the larger Palestinian-Israeli complex of articles, so (and I will regret this as soon as I click Save) how about something like "Palestinian relations with Israel in the 1950s" or "Palestinian refugees' attempts to return home in the 1950s". Danny 01:59 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)

LOL, I uberunderstand. Lets leave it as is, then. The "infiltration" article will be a redirect to here, and this page will be pruned for POV, keeping infiltration as a "common" reference. - later it can be mapped to the main article. You know that reminds me - of whats missing here, are maps- that show a schematic of related articles, in a relative heirarchy, it would be burly sofware if someone wrote it to fit the wiki. Be well. --Stevert

I dont know which term is correct because I'm not good enough at English. But Avi Shlaim himself uses the word "infiltration" to describe the "intrusions" Palestinians made in the 1950's. --BL

This page is about immigration and is a redirect from infiltration. There was significant amount of infiltration for various illegal purposes: theft of farm animals, theft of crops, murder and terrorism. Should we expand this article to include both or remove the redirect has note these other activities there. Please note this is per Benny Morris Israel's Border Wars 1949-1956. Thanks to Zero0000 for directing me to this book. OneVoice 12:46, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The title of this page is simply not appropriate, since "immigration" is only a small part of the topic. Personally I would prefer "infiltration" despite its nuances. Can we do better? What about "Israeli border crossing by Palestinians, 1948-1956"? 02:55, 16 Feb 2004 . . User:Zero0000 (suggest new name) (signature omitted)

Zero0000, I would prefer an "infiltration" page as well. Its the term that Benny Morris uses. We could, should I believe, have two pages: one for immigration and one for infiltration....better than tarring all the people with the same brush, why should we associate those engaged in activities such as family reunions, etc with those engaged in acts of theft and violence? OneVoice 14:27, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Righteous Victims p. 279: "Following the operation more Arab Legion battalions were deployed along the Israeli-Jordanian line to block infiltration (and to deter further IDF assaults). There was a sharp decline in infiltration in the immediate area of Qibya and, briefly, an overall reduction in incursions all along that frontier. But the Legion presence inevitably increased the frequency of confrontations with Israeli troops - during 1954, there were 145 such clashes, where there had been only 47 in 1953." BL 19:24, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

It is also possible to delete an article? This one seems a clear candidate. Under international law refugees have a right to return to their country of origin. To speak of 'theft' seems absurd, a person cannot steal what is already her property. This whole article seems to reflect an Israeli point of view ('infiltrations' and 'immigration', contradictions as these people were simply returning). I suggest elements of this article is included under other articles. Tiller1 23:23, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Restoring & Reorienting

I moved to have this article undeleted b/c despite some of the problems raised, it is unique in covering two things: migration of Palestinians back to Israel and particularly the forms that took 1948-1956. I would propose that we extend it to include all Palestinian migration inwards to Green Line-demarcated Israel (1948-67 boundaries, but covering the period since 1948). New sections would cover Israeli immigration law, refer to the right of return, etc. The primary reason I restored it however is that Palestinian infiltration now redirects to Palestinian political violence, while the overwhelming majority of Palestinian border crossers were either peacefully returning to their homes or engaged in apolitical activities. They should be covered here..--Carwil 15:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is this article focused solely on "infiltrations"? I hadn't seen it until today and have been developing an article on Palestinian fedayeen, where much of this material may be useful actually. However, I agree with Carwil that the issue of migration should not be coupled with infiltration to the exclusion of real issues surrounding migration as cogently outlined by him above. Tiamut 02:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Are there any objections to moving the material related to infiltrations and fedayeen to the article Palestinian fedayeen? Tiamut 02:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)