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Stone Age

Shoud it murged? -- ChongDae 2 July 2005 13:59 (UTC)

Merged? No, because it also includes Epipaleolithic etc. --Joy [shallot] 2 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)


Dating of Upper Paleolithic Revolution

I'm not sure, but I think putting the boundary between the middle and upper Paleolithic at 40,000 years ago rather than 30000 would be closer to the mark. --arkuat [[User_talk:Eric Forste|(talk)]] 06:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


Unverified(?) and unsourced assertions

Article as of April 17 2006 (saying that the Paleolithic runs from 2,500,000 BCE - 10,000 BCE, approx) contains many assertions which would seem to be difficult to prove and are not sourced, e.g. paleolithic religious beliefs, mythology, social stuctures, technology, and herbalism. Please folks, either cite your sources for these or remove them. -- 201.51.166.124 04:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Right on! I've added a few {{Fact}} tags, but not nearly as many as are needed. --arkuat (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Just about anything concerning behavior or thoughts or social structures, etc., this far back in history is necessarily speculation. I'm not sure that it belongs in an article that should be limiting itself to established facts. Agateller 23:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Provable?=

I'd argue that "paleolithic religious beliefs, mythology, social stuctures, technology, and herbalism" are virtually unable to be proven, particularly the tripe about equality of the sexes. Now sexual equality is all fine and good, but there is no evidence at all that such "enlightened" notions were gerenally or specifically held by any Paleolithic groups.

What's your evidence that they weren't? Penfold 18:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
There's no evidence either way, and so speculation on these details is unwarranted. Agateller 23:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
That's fine but you are assuming sexual inequality in the absence of evidence to the contrary, and in consequence your two comments are contradictory. Penfold 09:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
No, he's not saying he has evidence of sexual inequality, just that there's none in support of sexual equality. So the claim should be removed until someone can bring proof. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.67.170.176.203 13:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


Speaking of "Provable," who here as any cold, hard, definite (not 'aproximate) proof that the 'paleolithic era' ever existed? I don't, and I don't know anyone who does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Invmog (talk • contribs) 03:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC).


i have to agree that the use of the language in this article is less than appropriate. First of all, as someone said before, you can't say "there was equality among the sexes" because there is no scientific data that would proof this statement and it would also be a valoration of a situation through today's morality. The only possible way of putting it out is that: according to comparative studies, it is very possible that the division of the work would be that women would recolect and men would hunt". It's a probability, not a fact, since work don't leave any trace behind, nor other types of social relations. In fact, comparative studies have been critisized by many scholars lately. I also consider bold to say that they had some sort of religion, again, is a matter of giving certain values to something that might not have been. Like my prehistory professor said: "imagine ten thousand years from now, some archaeologists find the sit of a WC, all round and white and decide that it's a necklace and that it's so big because they only used it for rituals". Same thing here. We can't be certain that they had any kind of religion,in fact, the cave paintings and the venus of Willendorf are the only religion-related artifacs/art, the venus is from a very late period, and the caves have not been asigned to any culture. For all we know, they could have been done by Neanderthals, therefor, not homo sapiens sapiens.

The herbs are quite documented, you only need to add that this wide knowledge of herbs was confirmed with the finding of the Similaun Man or Ötzi the Iceman(wikis article uses this last term), in the Alps, the man was frozen and he had with him a bag with herbs. Nemi 00:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Its true that the archeological evidence proves that there was sexual equality in the Paleolithic (i have three sources to prove it[1][2][3]]. In fact according to the Museum of Antiquites web site the archeological evidence indicates that women played equally important roles in Paleolithic life and evidence from burials and art indicates a number of individual women had high status within their bands. Also in addition the anthropologist Jared Diamond proposes in his essay the Worst mistake in the history of the human race that the status of women declined during the adoption of agriculture.--Fang 23 (talk) 16:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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maru (talk) contribs 05:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Are there any accounts of how ancient societies - the Greeks,Romans, etc. thought about about the Paleolithics? What they may have learned or valued? They certainly valued the work enough to not destroy it.

K.Conley Annandale, VA

Major content deletion

This entry is so lacking in credibility and readability, I suggest that all the content be deleted except for the last section linking to the three main eras of the paleolithic. The hunter-gatherer entry is more thorough and covers the same ground.LC | Talk 00:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the worst article, by far, I've seen on Wikipedia in two years of frequent use. I strongly second the deletion, for the same reasons given above--lack of credibility and readabilty. W.A. McCray, Portsmouth, NH

I agree. This article is not only a horrid example of writing and non-bias, but it is also in terrible shape. I suggest deletion of most of the content and replacement with a short summary and links to the eras. This article should also be watched for vandalism; I know there are probably a few religious people who would find it amusing to promote their own history to a scientific page. - Howryn 15:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Me2ing vigorously. It's awful. I propose, as a provisional solution, that everything contained in "Way of Life" be deleted, given how poorly written and inaccurate it is, and how hard it would be to describe one "way of life" that spanned several near and human species. If no one objects in the next week or two, I'm coming back and operating. sNkrSnee | t.p. 07:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It probably can be cut back a fair amount. Notice the navbox for articles which cover other Paleolithic time periods; you might check in those articles for sections equivalent to one which you're editing. For example, "Tools" could use the Lower Paleolithic mention of "Members of Homo habilis used Olduwan tools and had learned to control fire to support the hunter-gatherer method of subsistence." and follow it with a version of the Upper Paleolithic mention of "Advanced darts and harpoons also appear in this period, along with the fish hook, the oil lamp, rope, and the eyed needle." (SEWilco 19:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
Thanks, those seem like useful suggestions. I'm still a dabbler, so I think I'll put a draft in a subfolder on my user page (like CloudNine proposed below) for feedback before loading it up here. I'll drop you a note once I get going, if you're interested. Meanwhile, other opinions are still most welcome! sNkrSnee | t.p. 17:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Article rewrite

I'm currently rewriting the article here, utilising images and media from the Spanish FA. Feel free to leave any comments during its development. CloudNine 11:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Simplified human genealogy

whats with the #s on that timeline. shouldnt there be a key to clarify the time scales?75.57.118.193 01:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Palaeolithic?

I realise (can't see any talk-page archives) that this may not have been anyone else's choice but why is it Paleolithic as opposed to Palaeolithic? Both are generally acceptable, why one over the other? Yes I'm a loser. Cheers, Rothery 13:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC).

When an article has no American or British (or other) focus and therefore preferred spelling, it is supposed to follow whatever the original creator used. That said, it's pretty likely that the spelling here may have been changed back and forth from time to time. Cheers Geologyguy 13:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


i have to argee wthi thsi 2. i life ti alot thfank ioyu  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.171.215 (talk) 23:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

No malnutrition?

Under the heading "Diet and Nutrition," the author writes, "there are no signs of malnutrition." This is simply not true! There are plenty of signs of malnutrition in Paleolithic hominids, including modern humans. While it is true that people suffered much more malnutrition after the advent of agriculture, those living before the Neolithic were often in pretty bad shape nutritionally, too. I think this should be removed from the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Formida42 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC) Y Done

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