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[edit] Your deletion of Miss International (USA)

I would like to know WHY you slated my page on Miss International for deletion. I will admit I don't know how to use Wikipedia very well, but what was wrong with my page? How about instead of not contacting me and just slating it for deletion, you contact me and tell me how to fix it. What is your deal? Bebedebroadway 22:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bebedebroadway (talk • contribs) 21:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

sorry. I'm still not 100% with wiki coding. I did not intentionally not sign that. Bebedebroadway 22:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert to Katie Blair

My apologies - I was mixing two articles I was trying to WiKify and crossed the names up... oops! I'll repair my error in the article and rolled back my talk msgs.

Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! PWdiamond 07:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] categories

It would be very helpful when you create articles for pageant contestants if you added the following category: [[Category:Living people]]. Also start a discussion page with this template: {{WPBiography|living=yes}}. This will help us monitor articles about living people for libel/slander. Thank you. Crockspot 04:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I should have been doing this already - thanks for the reminder :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 04:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tara Conner Picture

I am somewhat new here, and I am still getting used to wikipedia's policies. I was just wondering why you removed Tara conner bikini.jpg from the Tara Conner article. If it is a violation of policy, please reply. Thank you. --Transylvania 02:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Hawaii USA link on Ku'ualoha Taylor

In your edit comment you asked why the link to the Miss Hawaii USA site was removed. I had removed it because it was described as an official site, but stated right on their page that it was an unofficial site. -- Hawaiian717 22:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh oops... how strange... I always thought that it was the official site! I guess because its the only site for that state pageant I just assumed it was official and did not use my eyes :P -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pageant images

Greetings. I have replied on User:PageantUpdater/Use_of_Images. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LacyNMUSA06.jpg

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[edit] Vanessa Marie Semrow

Pageant, if I get a more recent image of Ms Semrow, would you be ok with us using it instead of the existing one? The chance is not actually remote, but I need to know if it's worth the effort. Thanks, --Abu Badali 21:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely... I'm assuming you're talking about a free image? Anyway Vanessa Minnillo has a recent image and I can't see why it would be a problem... -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm affraid this shows that what is really important is an image of the person, but not of the event. --Abu Badali 22:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I think trying to be tricky like this is against the spirit of the project. Both are equally important... her winning the event is important, particularly in the sense that she has yet to do much outside winning the pageant that made her notable... unlike Vanessa Minnillo (who I mentioned) who is notable outside the pageant as well... the pageant is 100% more notable to Semrow than it is to Minnillo who would be notable even if she wasn't Miss Teen USA 1998, and thus having an image illustrating Semrow's win is more important to Semrow than it would to to Minnillo If you're going to try and make a point why not be upfront about it? And since Quadell seems happy with it why don't you just let it go? -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Image:ForsythARUSA06.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:ForsythARUSA06.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Abu Badali 00:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Usa1998s.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Usa1998s.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Abu Badali 00:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:SwanIDUSA06.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:SwanIDUSA06.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Abu Badali 00:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:AllenDCUSA06.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:AllenDCUSA06.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Abu Badali 00:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed images

Does it matter whether someone leaves a message on their talk page when they dispute whether a picture is replaceable? I'm not talking about any of my pictures but I've been taking a look at your contributions and was fairly surprised by this. It doesn't say that you must write on the talk page. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it matters. You need to explain why you're contesting that.
Yes, it says. Read item #2 on one of the messages above: "On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all".
Best regards, --Abu Badali 03:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC of Abu badali

Just a note: I'm in support of this. I'm currently involved in a similar RfC with another user on the same basis. You are planning on adding your name to the list of people certifying the case, right? I think you need two people to do that or else an admin will come along and delete it. I'm guessing you're still working on it though. TheQuandry 04:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I certified the dispute confirming that I also tried to resolve similar problems with the user. Two users certifying the RfC makes it valid. Please do not forget to add your sig here as the original author of an RfC. This is a small formality but It is expected, I think. --Irpen 05:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] How to do an RfC

Hi PageantUpdater, nice to meet you. I understand how daunting the RfC process looks at first (I just filed my first one a few days ago), but once you get it all sorted, it runs pretty smoothly. First of all, for an example of a related RfC, see here [1]. This may provide some input for what you'll be seeing over the next few days as people come along and engage in discussion. I'll list the things you need to do to make your RfC go through.

  1. add a signature for your case listing at the main page. Go here [2], and edit the section that has your Abu badali listing at the top. After the last sentence (I have also noticed him deleting dispute tags from images where people have not left a message on the talk page...), add 5 of these things ~ (just like adding signature, except with an axtra squiggle). This will properly date your listing.
  2. Add your signature (this time, a regular 4 ~s) to "Users certifying the basis for this dispute"
  3. Under "applicable policies and guidelines" you should add links to the policies and guidelines on Wikipedia Abu badali broke. Check out pages like 3RR, Vandalism and Edit Warring. He is perhaps guilty of all of these, I think.
  4. Then, under "Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute" you're supposed to provide links to talk pages or other ways you tried to resolve the dispute with him (usually linking to a discussion on your talk page over the image deletion is fine). The more you add to this list (and the applicable policies and guidelines) the better.
  5. Irpen (a very nice fellow) has provided you with one of the people needed to certify your RfC. Now only you need to add your signature to that category and that portion is accounted for.

Any questions, please ask me on my talk page. I'll help as best I can and I'm sure Irpen will too. TheQuandry 05:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes I will within allotted time. The pervasive attempt of copyright paranoia as part of an overall trend to hijack Wikipedia from the content contributors needs to be addressed. I will be first opposing to stealing copyrighted material but this is not what this is all about. For a partial description of my view on the real crux of the matter, see here. --Irpen 05:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstarred!

For being wounded in the line of duty, this purple barnstar is awarded to PageantUpdater by Herostratus 17:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
For being wounded in the line of duty, this purple barnstar is awarded to PageantUpdater by Herostratus 17:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Damn, it's tough. I may be on the other side of the fair use image than you -- I'm still trying to sort it all out -- but I suspect I am. But I just want to say... I appreciate your work, and if it goes that per policy changes we must do without the images that you have taken the time and effort to track down and upload, I know that's gotta hurt. Herostratus 05:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abu Badali

Normally I'd love to, but the problem with him is he's following wikipedia policy extremely anally and as a result is lowering the quality of articles. Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done beyond a change of policy, because I'm observing just as anal and annoying users are going through the sports articles now and removing the player images. --Stukov 00:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pig-headedness

It looks like Abu's got your goat. Here, have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Better? Remember, he's just one person. Some people will be stubborn, and that's all there is to it. The world is full of pig-heads, but don't let it get you down. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 22:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow! Thanks for the pics

I noticed the recent pics you uploaded, where you managed to get the creator to license under GFDL. I'm really impressed. Even if I knew somebody with such photos, I would have been afraid to ask for somebody to be so generous. At last, photos of a beauty contestants who aren't wearing combat fatigues! Thanks. --Rob 03:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

I've done the necessary protections. Thanks for the userpage revert yesterday PageantUpdater - Take care - Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey I have a pic but dont know how to put it up

It's for Helen Salas

Check it ---> http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1083/nevvv7.jpg


peace, love, life Somemoron 03:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Guidelines for Inclusion in Wikipedia

I think if you look at the guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia, that the people included here are supposed to be those who contribute significantly over time. Although the winner of a pageant this year may be important this year - in ten years it goes on to become trivia. I have been contributing significantly in education as a teacher and winner of many awards and have the same name as one of your pageant winners. Accordingly, I have added a reference to my work on the page to have it deleted. It is fine that I'm not included, but I believe that your information on the state level pageant winners belongs in Wiki News rather than wikipedia. I teach effective use of Wikis in the classroom and that is what I teach. I am a former beauty pageant winner myself and as difficult as it was to attain that, now, 15 years later, my win is trivia compared to my other contributions. Do not take this as a "slam" against beauty pageants - it needs to be included. I know the sacrifice having gone through it myself. However, I just believe the place for it is in WikiNews, not here in Wikipedia. And be careful about deleting information from others - these girls are not the only one with these names! Victoria A. Davis 01:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blnguyen... hope you had a good New Years :) If you have time I'd appreciate you looking at something for me: Brightideasguru (talk · contribs) inserted some information about herself at Victoria Davis... apparently she is a "leading edublogger and wiki creator". I removed it as it did not belong there... but apparently the woman was unhappy, leading to this blog entry and further discussion on her talk page and mine. She is basically claiming that these pageant titleholders are not notable and that the information belongs on Wiki News (?!). She has slapped a notability template on there as well. Hope you can help me sort this one out! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 04:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi PageantUpdater, sorry for the delay, I appear to have been on break for a while and am catching up on all my paperwork. I removed the template for know, as the trends suggest that the article would survive an AfD and people are able to try that if they want, but putting a tag there for a while isn't likely to do the article any good either way. If Brightideasguru wants to, then she can start her own page at Victoria Davis (educator) and see what people think of it, as even if she was notable, you can't put two biographies in the same place, which solves the problem she expresses right above. The reason that WP:AUTO exists is that people can have their judgment affected by conflict of interest, so it is discouraged - I have had a few people attack me strongly and then spam WP:ANI after I deleted their autobiography, so it's nothing to be alarmed about. I'm happy to talk to her as well, although the queue is a bit long at the moment. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:AK06.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:AK06.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MECU≈talk 22:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the barnstar. It is the first that I have received. So far, I'm through the Illinois state pageant. We'll have to see if I have the stamina to make it to the end of the alphabet! --After Midnight 0001 22:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A couple questions

When I was creating the missing Miss America articles, I created BeBe Shopp for 1948. I noticed today that you created Miss Minnesota with Beatrice Shopp. Do you have any opinion about which of these should be the article vs. the redirect? I would consider you to know better than I regarding which name is used more commonly when referring to her.

Also, you may want to take a look at the Ann Penelope Marston article. I came across it working on Miss Michigan, and didn't know if it just had some typos or if there was more that was wrong with it. BTW, should articles like this be added to Category:Miss America delegates? --After Midnight 0001 16:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Tennessee link on Margaret Petty

I saw that you relinked Margaret Petty, now Margaret Denny. I talked to her about her name being in Wikipedia and had asked Mrs. Denny if she was interested in having a biography on her on December 23, 2006. Mrs. Denny politefully refused and I delinked her name per her request. I intend to honor her wishes and I am asking for you to please do the same. Chris 21:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

As there is no article for Margaret Denny it does not matter whether her name is linked or not. And whether people do or don't want an article is beside the point (and irrelevant here, because, as I have already pointed out, she actually has no article). -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I rather just happened across this page. It should be noted that if the person is a public figure (and assuming this is pageant-related, they are), then permission does not need to be obtained to create an article on this person, and they have no real right to say that they don't want an article to be made of them. When they stepped into the public light, they gave up that right (see politicians, singers, etc). Sorry to intrude, I just thought this was prudent to note. -- Huntster T • @ • C 00:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ernie Fletcher

Hey! If your going to remove the image, the least you could do is explain why, both on the talk page and my talk page. Thanks! Veracious Rey talk • contribs • review 01:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I see it. Sorry. Veracious Rey talk • contribs • review 01:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss America progress

FYI. I thought that I would give you an update of where things are with the Miss America articles.

  • For Category:Miss America winners
    • All winners have an article (many are stubs)
    • I have tagged the talk pages for all the articles with the project template.
  • For Category:Miss America state pageants
    • All states have an article
    • I have created and/or filled up the tables will all the info that I have.
      • If you have more data that you want me to add using my "table magic" just point me to it and I can work them off.
    • I have tagged the talk pages for all the articles with the project template.
    • I have checked all the blue links for the non-winner delegates and made sure that it was the same person, created redirects/dabs where necessary, etc. (although I may have missed a couple, and more will probably show up)
    • I am in the process of checking all the red links to try to see if any of them show up in Searches as similar names (example with/without middle names). So far I've only done Alabama, this will take a bit of time and isn't that much fun, so I probably will do them slowly.
  • For Category:Miss America delegates
    • As of now, all of them are linked to a state pageant or I've removed them (expect for a Miss Dallas)
    • I have not yet tagged the talk pages for all the articles with the project template, but will do this either soon or after I finish searching for the red links.
    • I have added this category to Category:Beauty pageant contestants and have removed any articles from it so they are not in both the parent and the child category.

If you see something that I've missed, or something that my skills would be helpful with, please feel free to let me know. --After Midnight 0001 04:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Julie Nelson

My source for the removal is that I was in High School with Julie Nelson in 1988, in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, not in Bloomington, Minnesota. In fact, I had a huge crush on her from about 8th grade on, that never amounted to anything bcz her highschool sweetheart was also her juniorhighschool sweetheart, and was about twice my size, and sat a few seats away from me in homeroom, and generally made my life miserable. Call that Original Research if it pleases you, but thems the facts. I also know for a fact that Julie was still in EC when we graduated June 6, 1990. A Wednesday evening, about 75°. Quite a nice night for an outdoor graduation at Carson Park.

Nevertheless, I am in the process of drafting an email to Julie to inquire about it, just to make sure, hence my use of {{fact}} tags, rather than simply removing the information outright. I don't know where you are, but in this part of the world, "Nelson" is an incredibly common name, so the fact that there's a Julie Nelson in Bloomington, Minnesota (a city of about 85k) who happens to be in about "the right age brackett" is rather unimpressive to me where sourcing comes in, especially since the only "evidence" that the two are one and the same is limited to the appearance of the name in a list. Cheers, Tomertalk 00:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

On a related subject...in your note on my talkpage, you said that you had reverted my removal of the picture... I actually put the picture back into the article... It was, in fact, you who removed her picture. Tomertalk 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Pageant Almanac

Just wanted to let you know that I've completed (I think) adding the info from Pageant Almanac, so that now all of the Miss America state pageant articles have all the names on them. I tried to watch out for the middle names, but please feel free to follow behind me and make any repairs. --After Midnight 0001 17:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables

Hi. I was starting to look at the Miss USA state pageant articles and was thinking about adding tables on them to mirror what we have in the Miss America state pageant articles. Miss America state articles have columns for 1) Year, 2) Name, 3) Hometown, 4) Local Title, 5) Placement at Miss America, 6) Special scholarships at Miss America, and 7) Notes. For Miss USA state articles, I would picture only 5 columns: 1) Year, 2) Name, 3) Placement at Miss America, 4) Special awards at Miss USA and 5) Notes, since I don't think that hometown and local title information is particularly available. I've gone ahead and done this at Miss California USA, but haven't done any of the others yet, and won't until I get your feedback. Please let me know what you think, or if you hate it, just revert me, please. --After Midnight 0001 05:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abu badali

You said: "Perhaps you should have read Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abu badali before unblocking him. Badali has a bad history of the sort of edits he was blocked for."

"The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor. This is distinct from following a contributor in order to clear repeated errors."[3] It seemed to me that he was blocked for leaving templated warnings about legitimate errors. This may not have been the most civil approach and I do know this has been an issue before, but he was not blocked for that, he was blocked for WP:STALK and WP:POINT. --Yamla 20:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss New Orleans USA

I've prod'ed this article. Feel free to remove the tag if you feel differently. --After Midnight 0001 01:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss USA states

Hello. Hope you've had a good weekend. I just wanted to pop by to let you know that I've gotten all the way through Oregon with the tables. I've still been just converting what was there with minor changes, so I'll go back through when I'm done to check out things for consistency, etc. I was hoping to get them all done this weekend, but it looks like I'll fall a bit short and will finish them up during the week. --After Midnight 0001 01:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strange specialty

I have to ask. Did you see the recent film, "Little Miss Sunshine"?--Filll 04:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess I saw you in the DYK column. I do not think our paths would be likely to cross otherwise. Although I did go to a beauty contest once (it was to meet a blind date- the date was a disaster, but it was funny, after the fact). "Little Miss Sunshine" is a bit ...well it is not complimentary to pageants, but it was so funny to me that I just about died laughing. Tears were rolling down my face I saw it twice. Oh my. I thought it was hilarious. But you have to be careful if you are a big pageant person because it might offend some people. I do not know.--Filll 05:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random but well-meant hello

Hi Pageant,

I just discovered your page and thought I'd send a friendly "hello". I guess we joined around the same time? I arrived here last April. Anyway, it's really cool that you're filling in the pageant materials; keep up the good work! My own soft spot is for knitting, although I've just been filling in around the periphery; I haven't really worked on the main article yet.

Re: the previous message, I can recommend "Little Miss Sunshine", too, although my experience of it was a little different. For me, the movie was more about winning and losing, and moving beyond the idea of there being only one way to "win" in life. It wasn't as funny for me, and there were some cringe-worthy scenes, but I still liked it overall. There's a wonderful moment in which the reigning Miss California confides in the little girl about her love of ice-cream; but you may find the pageant organizer and some pageant scenes, umm, disappointing.

Anyway, I hope to see more of your work here. If you ever want to chat or be jubilant or blow off steam (I do sometimes!), friends are just a mouse-click away, Willow 16:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It was cheesy. It was tacky. But it had some nugget of truth buried in it. And a good skewering of several aspects of American culture. I loved watching the faces of the judges during the pageant.--Filll 16:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss USA state tables

Hello. I have (I think) gotten the tables created for all of the Miss USA state pageants. Please let me know if you think I missed any or if there is anything that needs correcting in these that you want me to fix. As an aside, as I went through all these articles I noticed that many of the red links which are dabbed are something other than FIRST LAST (pageant contestant), which seems to me to be the most common and logical dab for this collection of people. I was going to go back through all of the pages and standardize this to make them all follow the same convention unless you object or think I should use something else. Note that I only plan to do this for the red links, not for articles which already exist (there are only 3 blue link dabs currently). Any thoughts? --After Midnight 0001 03:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I guess you are right they probably will not get created for the most part, so I won't change them unless I am making another edit at the same time and happen to remember. I've noticed that there are several which dab to (Miss STATE USA 19XX) or similar which seems unwieldy to me, but I guess that if any of them actually ever turn blue like that, we can always move them after the fact. --After Midnight 0001 03:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's how I started before I knocked some common sense into myself. I keep refining what I'm doing when I get a new idea which generally means a lot of work for me going back and correcting edits I've made! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 03:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please update Lauren Barnette's page. There is no such thing as Honorable Mention at Miss Universe. The only time it was ever used was when Daniel Barrington placed 12th at Miss USA and...

there was mention of her in the telecast. Lauren was not only NOT mentioned at all during the telecast, Miss Universe does NOT give out placement after the top ten, especially in the current scoring system of "circles," where no one "places" anywhere.

Mentioning Kristi Glakas on her page was relevant as Kristi is the triple crown winner in Virginia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lauren234 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image:Kerryannewells.jpg

Hello, I was unable to verify whether Image:Kerryannewells.jpg is a copyvio, so I nominated it for deletion: Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Kerryannewells.jpg. Conscious 19:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Teen USA State articles

Hey, I guess I might as well start on making the tables for these next. Do you want the same columns? I didn't know if you had all the age and hometown info for these also, or if you want just the other 5 columns for these. Let me know.... I'll get started in the next couple days. --After Midnight 0001 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL. That's me, the table machine. so do you want 5 or 7 column format? --After Midnight 0001 22:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Better watch out (LOL), I found a way to get even faster with my table making. All 51 are created (still a little cleanup for me to finish). BTW, I saw that I missed Miss Texas USA, thanks for taking care of that. --After Midnight 0001 21:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
How on earth do you do it? Incredible! If you want another challenge, along the lines of the videos I gave you links for before, here are a few more to try and get hometowns from:
The videos are something that I can probably help with, but I would like to finish up some of the other maintenance tasks that I am in the midst of first. If you note which ones you miss as you go through, I am happy to try to fill in the gaps like I did for '86. It looks like you are really powering through those with AWB. --After Midnight 0001 00:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I'm not doing too badly with 1985 (I generally try to transcribe about half of them into notepad, then put them in using AWB because its a lot quicker than individually opening pages) but I'm stuck with Arkansas... see what you thinkg?! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 00:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Spoke too soon... also can't get Ohio! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 00:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that they are Osceola, Arkansas and Vandalia, Ohio, but why don't you take another listen to check to see if you agree before I post them, because I'm not very sure on either. --After Midnight 0001 03:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
BTW, In case you are also looking for VT, I can not figure it out, but I did get NM, OK, OR, and RI. --After Midnight 0001 03:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Miss USA state pageants

Template:Miss USA state pageants has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (sorry wanted to put the following text before the tfdnotice, but the template won't let me....) I am pretty sure that you no longer use this and don't have value for this any longer. If I am incorrect, please indicate so on the TfD page and I will withdraw this. --After Midnight 0001 14:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

Updated DYK query On 4 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lauren Nelson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 23:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the great work! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Pageant, congratulations! It's nice to have your work appreciated, isn't it? Thanks for your really nice message, too. :) Willow 10:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

I am stunned at how many people work on updating those pageant articles with you. This is an area of intense interest, clearly!--Filll 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "adequately answered"?

I notice you re-added a sentence I had removed from Katie Blair as unsourced, non-neutral speculation. I know next-to-nothing of pageantry, but isn't "adequately answered" basically opinion? It seems to me to be analysis of the Q+A. And it's not even sourced. Even if the YouTube video was provided as a "source", the phrase would qualify as original research (since one would have to view the video and determine whether the questions were "adequately answered"). BuddingJournalist 08:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. I still wonder if that last sentence is even necessary though. BuddingJournalist 00:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] That last edit to Kandice Pelletier

If you're going to tag Image:TAR10Kandice.jpg with {{rfu-c}}, then I suggest that you go and tag all the images in Category:The Amazing Race contestants. Otherwise your last edit may be seen as some sort of retribution for not getting your way and not promoting WP:civil. --evrik (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Retribution for not getting my way? Excuse me? If you're talking about me removing the picture and you re-adding it and them me ading the tag as "retribution"... you will notice that I added the rfu tag to the image and notified the uploader well before you re-added the image and I added the tag. And since you alerted to me to it, I will go and have a look at the other articles (some of which I remember removing similar pics for in the past). -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 18:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Unless you actually go and tag all those other photos, it proves my point. --evrik (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Well since you insist I am just about to go and do just that (you may have noticed I have not yet had time to) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmmmm ... --20:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Do we have a gdfl image for Kandice?--evrik (talk) 20:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Not that I know of. Not that that makes any difference. Just be glad that I'm not User:Abu badali and that you haven't had this happen to you. I'm actually being selective with what I'm doing to the images as I pointed out, leaving those used in the actual episode articles and dealing with those in contestant articles on a case-by-case basis. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • She is more famous for being on AR 10, and it is a current event. --evrik (talk) 20:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Why are you so pig-headed? And precedent proves you are wrong. Miss America state titleholders and national pageant contestants are notable in their own right, Amazing Race contestants are not. Hence, I am re-ordering the paragraphs so they are a) in chronological order and b) in order of notability. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza
  • Hah! That last comment made me laugh. Look kettle, no name calling! --evrik (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I feel bad. You need some help.--Filll 02:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Warning

You are now moving towards an edit war. I am issuing this 3RR warning. If you continue to edit while angry I will report you for violating WP:3RR. --evrik (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. I'm not going to change it again, I'm not stupid. At least I'm being constructive. Your claim to her Amazing Race participation being more notable than her pageant participation is blown out of the water by the references. I was unable to find one mainstream media ref (apart from general profiles) for her TAR participation. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll respond on the discussion page. --evrik (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Holy cow :) --Filll 22:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)