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[edit] PIRA

Can you please warn CreativeLogic to stop making unreferenced material to articles.--Vintagekits 19:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

What utter rubbish both of you - and stop trying to recruit people in a campaign against me Vintagekits. As to the edit you made on my talk page claiming that the article in the Indie is not about the IRA, all I can say is, can you read? I quote from the article directly "The IRA operation is said to be under the control of the IRA's reputed chief of staff, Thomas "Slab" Murphy, a quiet South Armagh farmer who is regarded as the organisation's financial mastermind." CreativeLogic 19:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Can I please remind you again about WP:CIVIL, no one is campaigning against you and no one is ganging up against you. I asked P3UK to have a word with you about as you didnt seem to listen to me and throught you might listen to another editor. That obviously seems to be wrong. --Vintagekits 20:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes the article is about Slab Murphy, but the references to Drug dealing and rackeetering etc is by Loyalists.--padraig3uk 20:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old IRA page

Thanks for your work reverting vandalism here. I tried to get it protected, but my request was turned down because apparently there was not enough vandalism! I really think that wikipedia needs to be tougher on this area. It's not acceptable that people have to revert an article every day to stop it degenerating into mush.

Jdorney 10:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

They should at least semi-protect the article to prevent anon users from vandalising articles.--padraig3uk 11:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well that's what I argued, but I was told you need to have ten reverts a day or something. See for yourself, [1] Madness! Jdorney 11:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sinn Féin

I've reorganised the page quite a bit, as the older version had the history split in half for some obscure reason, let me know what you think. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 16:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've nothing against that, just it was slightly too drastic for me to start splitting pages without discussion. I'm assuming you mean everything pre-1970 in one article? If anything what I'm most tempted to split off the article are the huge lists of representatives. I still think some sections need moving and/or merging, but again that's something needing discussion. One Night In Hackney303 16:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The lists of elected representatives could be split off into a seperate article, with just the small list of each type and number in the main article with a link to the separate article.--padraig3uk 16:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Eamondv.jpg

It had been tagged as lacking a source since March 10, but someone had been edit warring to remove the tag without properly sourcing it. We have Image:Eamon de Valera c 1922-30.jpg if it makes sense for the article you're concerned about. Jkelly 17:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the issue really is that without a source we have no way of knowing whether there is a copyright problem or not. The image might be in the public domain in Ireland and the United States (which is all we really care about here), but if we don't know the photographer, we cannot figure out if they died seventy years ago or not. We're not, in general, very good about this; a lot of media gets uploaded here and marked "Public domain" because it looks sort of old. Jkelly 17:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fenian Swine

You may be interested to know that they are voting on blocking Fenian Swine again at - [[2]] (Sarah777 20:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for your support.--Play Brian Moore 20:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
You may wish to visit and possibly certify Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Gaillimh --Auto(talk / contribs) 05:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flags

Hi Padraig, please revert your own chanages. You know this issue isn't resolved. There are several further stages of the dispute resolution process, you can't just decide when an issue is resolved yourself. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess he is reflecting the pre-resolution consensus. (Sarah777 19:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC))


[edit] Your edit to National Party of Northern Ireland

[edit] Message posted on Monday, April 9, 2007

Please do not post copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to National Party of Northern Ireland. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites (http://www.politics.ie/wiki/index.php?title=National_Party_of_Northern_Ireland in this case) or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If you believe that the article is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:

  • If you have permission from the author leave a message explaining the details on the article Talk page and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions.
  • If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk:National Party of Northern Ireland with a link to where we can find that note;
  • If you own the copyright to the material: send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation permitting re-use under the GFDL, and note that you have done so on the article Talk page. Alternatively, you may create a note on your web page releasing the work under the GFDL and then leave a note at Talk:National Party of Northern Ireland with a link to the details.

It is also important that the text be modified to have an encyclopedic tone and that it follows Wikipedia article layout. For more information on Wikipedia's policies, see Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you would like to begin working on a new version of the article you may do so at Talk:National Party of Northern Ireland/Temp. Leave a note at Talk:National Party of Northern Ireland saying you have done so and an administrator will move the new article into place once the issue is resolved. Your original contributions are welcome.

Masterpedia 15:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Politics.ie is a wiki page also - how do you know that Padraig didnt write that page also. Additionally are you sure that pages on politic.ie carry any copyright at all?--Vintagekits 15:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
In fact I just checked the page on politics.ie and Padraig did write the article over there.--Vintagekits 15:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Padraig should have probably copied it directly from Wiki - not a third party website? The patrollers can hardly be expected to look into the details of every apparent breach of copyright. (Sarah777 16:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

The article on politics.ie/wiki was written by me.--padraig3uk 16:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Issue

Let me explain some edits I made (and reverted) here and on the article on National Party of Northern Ireland. My initial review of the copyright policy at politics.ie led me to believe that they were asserting copyright over all contributions, such that their permission would be necessary for reposting materials here. After looking into it further, I have concluded that this is not correct. They are only asserting a nonexclusive license. So you are free to repost on Wikipedia articles you have written and posted at politics.ie. Sorry for the confusion. --Butseriouslyfolks 20:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • No problem, sorry again for the mess. --Butseriouslyfolks 20:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPNI

Thanks for your note. Your new text looks great to me. Good work on the article, too; I've half-meant to write it for a while, but never got round to it. Warofdreams talk 22:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] seen this?

List of Northern Irish flags--Vintagekits 20:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox adjusting

If it doesn't work, your reversion was perfectly fine. So suppose that I make the "Flag" link not visible, and adjust the names? Would that be okay? GracenotesT § 01:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be ok in general, the major problem with all this is if we have a option for a flag at all then it will result in a edit war again as soon as the protection is removed form the article, the concencus was not to have a flag but certain editors refuse to accept that the Ulster banner is POV, as it has no offical status for the past 35yrs.--padraig3uk 01:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this seems too ugly of a hack, but it would be possible to disable the flag option for Infobox Country for this article: have it not do anything. I'm not sure that that would gain consensus for inclusion in that template, though. GracenotesT § 01:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster Banner

Please do not remove this from the UK regions template. This template is used on many articles and is consistent with other templates and articles on Wikipedia. 163.167.129.124 15:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

This flag is not the flag of Northern ireland and its inclusion is POV, see Northern Ireland flags issue.--padraig3uk 15:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
This is the de facto flag of NI. Please see the extensive discussion on the issue at Talk:Northern Ireland. Please also discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. 163.167.129.124 09:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. --unsigned posted by163.167.129.124 19th April 2007.

Do warnings such as this not need to be signed by someone? Ditto I would suggest for belligerent comments such as those made by 163.167.129.124 (Sarah777 10:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC))
I do apologise for omitting to sign the above warning. I note you have enlisted help here. May I ask Sarah, what "belligerent comments" I have made and when? 163.167.129.124 12:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
No I didn't enlisted help I was replying to Sarah's comment that she left above, why would I need to enlist help on a matter that has already been dealt with. Also considering you deleted our discussion from your talk page can you please refain from posting on mine.--padraig3uk 13:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


[[3]] appears to be an account created specifically to attack an active editor. And you may ask any question you wish, 163167129124, but you are wasting your time as I have no intention of discussing this matter with a twelve-digit number devoid of any editing record! (Sarah777 13:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC))
I refer User:Sarah777 to (1) Assume good faith, (2) Always be civil, and (3) No personal attacks. 163.167.129.124 13:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
this account seems to for that pupose [4].--padraig3uk 13:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


I refer 163167129124 to Wiki policy on Sockpuppets.

  • (1) creation of a sock puppet account is not a premise for assuming good faith. You are obviously an experienced Wiki editor, as your post just above this proves - so your current account is clearly a sock puppet.
  • (2) Where have I been uncivil?
  • (3) I described your comments and actions as belligerent; not you. I don't know who you are. That is part of the problem. (Sarah777 13:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC))
Please do not assume that I am a sockpuppet on the basis that I do not use an account. I am not. This is not assuming good faith. Your attitude to me is far from civil (in fact it is belligerent) and incase you need reminding, Wikipedia is free for "anyone to edit," regardless of whether or not one uses an account to do so (or indeed your personal point of view on the relative merits or demerits of that). 163.167.129.124 13:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It believe that

  • (a) you are an experienced editor
  • (b) that you appeared anonymously to engage in an edit war
  • (c) that 163.167.129.124 is a Sockpuppet of your usual handle (whatever that is)

Now, having made those points as clearly as I can, I will have no further exchange of any sort with 163.167.129.124. Goodbye. (Sarah777 16:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC))