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I'am a moderator on another Wiki, and it was brought to my attention that yous were having the same problem in regarding the vandalism of the Sinn Fein articles as we had, apparently by the same person, so I tidied up your provisional Sinn Fein Article abit to remove some of his bias, he is a member of Republican Sinn Fein, but was unable to edit the main Sinn Fein article as it is currently locked, but I left a message on the talk page.--Padraig3uk 04:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the talk points that I put on your home page - they should of course have gone here. They are irrelevant now, so I've deleted completely. --Red King 01:00, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] SinnFein.org website

So what's the story about www.sinnfein.org? It looks genuine enough? --Red King 20:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

It was setup maliciously by a supporter of RSF, The give away on the page is the 'Provisional Sinn Fein' Banner on the main page, this is part of a deliberate campaign by RSF in which they claim that Gerry Adams and the main body of the party - 98% - formed Provisional Sinn Fein in 1986 - note:Not in 1970 - and that they RSF are the true Sinn Fein, Sinn Fein are currently in dispute with the site hosting company and are trying to gain ownership over that domain name so they can take the site down, sinnfein.ie/ is the real site and the only offical site used By Sinn Fein as a party. The annoying thing is is that they registered the other sites webmaster as being the Sinn Fein head office in Dublin, but the owner of the domainname is registered to someone in Galway. --Padraig3uk 06:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

removing unsigned comments.

[edit] PDs as descendents of SF

I don't see it as any more far-fetched as any of the other fanciful claims. I'm certain that Fianna Fail do not accept your logic. In their mythology, the majority of anti-treaty members went them (deV being president of SF and Aiken being CoS of the irregulars)

Here is my logic (I agree that the // is with RSF, not PSF:

SF (1921), Cumann na nGael (1922-, Fine Gael                              
         -> (breakaway) SF (1922 - , OSF, SF the Workers Party, The WP -> Labour Party
                                                    -> (breakaway) IRSP
                           -> (breakaway) Fianna Fail (1926-
                                          -> (breakaway) PDs (whenever)
                           -------------> (breakaway) Provisional SF
                                                     -> (breakaway) Republican SF

Obvious really. But I suppose we don't want to get the history get in the way of a good mythology. --Red King 19:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


Sinn Fein, -> Pro-Treaty Sinn Fein -> reforms Cumann na nGael ->(1933 merger with The Blueshirts and National Centre Party to form Fine Gael                              
          -> Anti-Treaty Sinn Fein  (retains the name and party structure)
                           -> (Dev Valera Resigns) later forms Fianna Fail (1926-
                           -> (breakaway)(1970 Sinn Fein 'Gardiner Place'/'offical' Sinn Fein-> SF - The Workers Party->The Workers Party                                                                                             
                                                    -> (breakaway) IRSP
                                                    -> (breakaway) New Agenda -> Democratic Left->merger with Labour Party
                           -> (breakaway 1986) Republican Sinn Fein
                           -> (breakaway over the GFA) 199?) 32CSM

You seem to have very little understanding of History or the workings of Sinn Fein and its rules and constitution, but if you want to include mythology rather then the true facts then carry on with your own version of history.--Padraig3uk 20:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Evidently 1984 (book) is required reading among the Adams Family. I can see that you aren't particularly bothered by inconvenient historical facts that don't suit Big Brother's version of what should have happened and therefore it did. --Red King 00:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I have never said the officals walked out, they were in breach of the constitution by trying to impose a defeated motion on the membership at the Ard Fheis, by their actions they were deemed to be expelled from the party in accordance with the rules and constitution of the party. RSF on the other hand failed to gather enough support to stopped the motion being passed in accordance with the rules and constitution of Sinn Fein, they then refused to accept the ruling of the Ard Fheis and walked out, and because they setup a rival organisation were deemed to have resigned from Sinn Fein. Red because the facts don't suit your own POV and bias against Sinn Fein, that dosen't make your version of what you want to believe true.--Padraig3uk 02:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Irish Catholic Rebels

I saw your comment on the talk page. If you haven't already, please add your vote to the Articles for Deletion page. Camillustalk|contribs 02:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] politics.ie

I recently lifted a couple of articles from http://www.politics.ie/wiki (Ulster Army Council and Nicky Kehoe), and they were quickly hit with copyright violation tags. Ryano tells me you did a lot of work on Sinn Féin-related articles there. I was wondering if you got permission from them to use text from their website?

Lapsed Pacifist 21:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The versions of the two articles in question are old versions, we suffered a database failure in December, so alot of updates to articles were lost, as we had to revert to a old backup copy of the database from Sept, the Ulster Army Council article has been updated slightly recently since then if you want to have a look at it, Regarding Sinn Féin-related articles some of the users on politics.ie/wiki are members of the party, I was also a member of the party but am no longer active in that respect, so copyright is not a issue, but I have e-mailed the Sinn Féin Head Office for confirmation of this and will let you know of their response.--Padraig3uk 00:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks, Pádraig. Do you know the situation with articles taken from CAIN?

Lapsed Pacifist 00:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a updated version of the Ulster Army Council article into the temporary page space, so that may resolve that issue, feel free to edit that if you wish. I'am not sure what the copy right situation is with CAIN, as alot of the stuff there is produced by the owners of the site and others are included subject to various copy-rights as indicated in certain articles on the site, so you would need to check each article for any conditions, or e-mail CAIN for clarification.--Padraig3uk 00:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


Sound, thanks.

Lapsed Pacifist 00:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

This is a E-mail I recieved from Sinn Fein in regards to use of information from their wedsite, hopefully this will resolve any copy-right issues.--Padraig3uk 14:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Reply:

Hi Padraig,

Any information on our website www.sinnfein.ie is in the public domain and its contents can be reproduced.

Regards,

Sinn Féin Web Team

On 03/02/2006 23:43, "patrick" <xxxxxx@btinternet.com> wrote:

Original Message to Sinn Fein:

>> I'am a moderator on this wiki, http://politics.ie/wiki/, and I have been
>> ask to enquire about the issue of copyright in regards to information
>> used in the wiki, regarding Sinn Fein, or the party elected
>> representatives, as alot of this info was obtained from the Sinn Fein
>> website.
>>
>> So I would be grateful if you could let me know if its ok for us to use
>> this info.
>>
>> Yours Thankfully.
>> Padraig

posted by me.--Padraig3uk 14:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Sfnew.jpg

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[edit] British Isles Article

You might want to look at British Isles. A group of individuals are trying to push the myth that there is nothing wrong with the term, no-one is offended by it and any Irish people who are don't realise that it is a geographic term with no political implications or presumptions. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 17:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

A user is carrying out a series of edits to try to hide Irish opposition to being called part of the British Isles. He has reverted any reference to it yet again. I can't correct it because I have done three reverts. Could you revert his vandalism? Thanks. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Doncha just love it when someone quotes a reference that proves the exact opposite of what they are saying, but they are too dumb to realise it. My alltime favourite was having someone quote a reference to me to prove I was wrong and hold up the author as the embodiment of the neutrality I apparently so clearly lacked. I was the author he was quoting against me, and the quote said the exact opposite of what he thought it said. I laughed for an hour!!!! FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish History

You seem like you have a lot a knowledge with respect Irish history so maybe you would like to comment on the historic basis of this term here Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-02 IRA 'Volunteer' usage —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DownDaRoad (talk • contribs) 21:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] IRA Volunteer issue

Go to this page, an Indian guy is being forced by Loyalists and West Brit who are demanding that the rank of Volunteer is banned for describing the rank of members of the IRA – if you do not voice your opinion on this then they are going to get away with this bull Vintagekits 22:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NI Flag

The Flag is the national flag used for NI by many organisations, and even appears in the infobox of Northern Ireland. As far as I am aware it is used by some government offices in NI such as local government, hospitals etc. It may be offensive to some, but that is not an issue for the precedence template. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Astrotrain (talk • contribs) 21:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

What Astrotrain fails to understand is that is is also NOT used by many and is not the official flag. Good work Padraig keep it up and keep an close eye on Astrotrain's edits as he has also used the same arguement is some of his recent edits--Vintagekits 08:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: I have marked User:Panelcourt as a suspected sockpuppet; check the 'contributions'. (Sarah777 03:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

I had noticed that as well.--padraig3uk 13:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The end of the mediation cabal on the term Volunteer is ending in two days.

The mediation process is ending in two days - you have two days to have you final say and 1. Show any proof that Volunteer is a rank and 2. Leave your final vote in coming to a consensus here. Thank you. --Vintagekits 22:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Warning

You are about to violate the WP:3RR rule on the article Northern Ireland. Please take it to a talk page before you get temporarily blocked. Ben W Bell talk 12:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Astrotrain has been warned the same as you, if he reverts that one more time he'll be temporarily blocked. I'm aware of the debate, and have been only mildly involved in it. I've also noticed the way you are both ending up editing the same articles though haven't looked into it in any detail. Unfortunately we cannot stop users from doing any edits they want, but we can punish afterwards. If you have something specific about his actions that you wish to report feel free to let me know. Ben W Bell talk 12:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)