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[edit] Routes or Highways

Hi, Brian. I noticed on the Cleveland page that you went back and forth on the state route/highway designations. Whether a state road is a "highway" or "route" doesn't seem to have a universal definition and usage, even among we engineers who design them. ODOT calls them state routes. I've seen them all called routes, as in "Route 66" for U.S. Highway 66, and the FHwA designation "Interstate Route 77" for I-77. I've seen them all called highways. Personally, I typically call them state routes, U.S. highways, and interstates to differentiate. The designations in the Cleveland article would probably read "state route" if ODOT had written them. Your entry - your call. MARussellPESE 12:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

  • You're right about that, Michael...I think every state DOT calls them something different. :) I actually just had a brain fart while editing that section and substituted "state route" where it should have been "state highway". The only reason I did it that way was to conform to what seem to be the Wikipedia style guidelines for highways that aren't Interstates -- their articles are always titled "(name of state) state highway ###" (or U.S. highway ###, or (name of province) provincial highway ###)...you get the idea. Personally, I just call them by the numbers, which is terribly confusing to anyone who doesn't know what you're talking about. Thanks, though -- PacknCanes 15:52, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Glad you asked for the peer review!

Hi Brian,

I'm glad to see that we are getting some constructive suggestions for the Cleveland article. I hope we'll be able to build some momentum for addressing the remaining shortcomings so that the article about this city can shine! Mamawrites 19:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleveland, Ohio

I looked through the article and did some copyediting. You can see my comments on peer review. Pentawing 05:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Concerning the headings for neighborhoods, I'll leave it to you to decide, but I just think that a single sub-heading doesn't look right (especially if there isn't a second sub-heading to accompany it). As for the cityscape, I was thinking about the general appearance of the city (modern or classical architecture, park-like or industrial setting, etc.). It doesn't have to be long nor does it have to be included. If you do decide to include it, see Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Louisville, Kentucky, for examples. Pentawing 03:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The population estimates are five years old, and surely fluctuate by hundreds, or even thousands, each month. Therefore at the top, express as 'more than', and not to the last person (thousands is precise enough for your purpose here). In the demographics section, cite the exact count in the census, but use past tense—'were' etc—when referring to the 2000 census. 'Cleveland was hit hard by white flight and suburbanization,'—during what period, exactly? Relate directly to the info in the table.

Unless it's a very thorough edit, I'll be back to give a few more examples as reasons that it still isn't FA standard. Surely you can find a collaborator who's good at editing? One of your local librarians or school teachers?

Tony 07:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

You nailed the Cleveland cityscape, Brian. Am changing my Oppose to Support. Well done. MARussellPESE 19:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Howdy. Thanks for starting the cityscape section. Sorry I couldn't get to it, but I've been absolutely swamped today. I have a few changes I'd like to make, but they'll have to wait until later today or tomorrow. Thanks again! - EurekaLott 22:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Good catch. I've sourced the image. I fear it's a temporary URL that may expire without notice, but at least it's tagged. - EurekaLott 13:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on Cleveland being featured. Now that the article is featured, I would suggest that you archive the current talk page. As a side note, since you got Cleveland featured and your user page suggests that you might do the same with Raleigh, North Carolina, you might be interested in this project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities. Again, congratulations with getting Cleveland featured. Pentawing 03:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The credit belongs to you, my friend. It seems the path to featured article status is as much about good communication as it is about quality content, and you have a knack for smoothing ruffled feathers when the inevitable miscommunications occur. Good work! - EurekaLott 14:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Date for work to be released into public domain

Hi Carnildo, Since you seem to be the resident expert on copyright law, could you do me a favor? I'd like to use this photo in the article about Cleveland. It was taken in 1927, so has the copyright run out on it? I seem to remember somewhere that there's a limitation of 70 years for anything published before the late '60s (?), but I'm not sure. If it isn't public domain, I just won't use it; I don't really feel like jumping through all the hoops necessary to fair-use it. Thanks! PacknCanes | say something! 17:24, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm hardly an expert on copyright law -- it's an extremely complex subject even for someone with a law degree. For this particular image, I can't tell for sure if it's public domain or not. Everything published before 1923 is public domain, while those published between 1923 and 1963 without the copyright being renewed are public domain. Two ways to find out for sure would be to check the Library of Congress, or to contact the site owners. For a basic overview of what is and is not public domain, Cornell's got a chart at [1].
That said, the Library of Congress has a compilation of 161 public-domain photographs of the building compiled by the National Park Service, at [ http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hhh.oh1517]. You can probably find something suitable there. --Carnildo 19:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bounty Board

Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Wikipedia:Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 13:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Waterfall Gully

Thanks for the comments to do with the article and the small copyedit! In your comments about the article, you suggested that the "Attractions" section be changed... do you want to give it a go? G 15:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Top job! I think I've eliminated all the one-sentence paragraphs as well as the external links... anything else to have a go at so you can change your objection? G 01:57, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Hi PacknCanes

I thought I'd alert you to the fact that User Redwolf kindly nominated me for adminship last week, which I accepted. Regrettably, this has coincided with a stouch with several huge egos whose FAC I helped on, and then critiqued after they'd trashed my entire contribution. I normally shun conflict, but here, I'm emersed in it, and I feel utterly destroyed. One of the protagonists appears to be drumming up support for his cause on other people's talk pages.

If the nomination fails Monday night, which appears likely now since the 75/25 voting balance is borderline, I'll be trashing my personal page and not returning: it's just too embarrassing and unpleasant to go on.

So, if you have the inclination, the war zone is at: [2]

Thanks Tony 01:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, PacknCanes. But I find the whole process extremely destructive on a personal level. Tony 05:01, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but it doesn't allay my grief. How fun can turn to distress and depression in an instant. The process is flawed when it turns into a referendum on someone's perceived personality, character, maturity. There's a herd mentality at work, too.

I think it should be depersonalised, at least to some extent. There's too much scope for unsubstantiated tittle-tattle and highly POV 'moral' judgement. Numbers, ticks against various criteria, and no allowance for changing your vote on the whim of what others in the herd say, would be a start. Much stricter guidelines for comments. I'm outa here when this thing fails Monday night, feeling kind of ... angry, and hating WP.

Good to talk, tho. Tony 06:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thx, dude. tony1 at iinet dot net dot au

Tony 13:55, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Boston, Massachusetts

Thanks for that piece of encouragement. The article size limit is due to something I picked up from Nichalp, who implicitly pointed out that anything over 40 kB can pose a problem. Though current high-speed connections and browsers do not have a problem with large article sizes, there are some people who do not have such luxury (e.g. they have early versions of certain browsers and (GASP!) dial-up connections). Anyways, I decided to take care of some concerns, but I am hoping that the article does make it to featured status, given that I have other projects in the pipeline. Pentawing 22:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

  • I contacted Nichalp for his take on this issue since now I am unsure what to do about it. My concern is that he tends to object to articles above 40 kB in size (such as for Louisville, Kentucky and Chicago, Illinois). If you wish, you can also talk to him about this in order to resolve the issue. In fact, I would appreciate someone helping me with this since now I find myself being pulled in every direction. Pentawing 23:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
    • I decided to place the article size limit to 45 kB and start expanding. I realize your concerns about article sizes, but unfortunately Nichalp happens to be seen as an expert when it comes to city articles, and his opinions (no matter how much one disagrees with them) are generally respected (especially by Raul654, who controls which articles finally become featured). Nevertheless, I appreciate your willingness to help if possible and respect your concerns about possibly starting a flame war. However, I also realize that sooner or later this issue is going to come up, where people are going to wonder why article sizes matter (a holdover from the early days of Wikipedia, but I think it should deserve another look, given that I recently read about the fact that 32 kB can only contain about 6000 words, compared to a normal encyclopedia which has about 50,000 words per article). Again, I'll let you know what I encounter with my contact with Nichalp. Pentawing 01:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Well, Boston is finally featured. Nevertheless, Nichalp said that the article has ballooned and that it could be summarized (the article is currently at 41 kB). At the moment, I am a bit weary of working on the article further and will move to other things unless something major comes up. Nevertheless, I will try to figure out something that could hopefully resolve this issue (maybe a balanced mix of having the article give as much of an overall of the topic as possible in conjunction with summarizing materials into sub-articles when the article reaches a certain size such as 40 to 45 kB), though if you have an idea that could help, I would appreciate it. Pentawing 22:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Raleigh, North Carolina

From the article's talk page, I saw that you decided to try to improve the article to FA. However, the sandbox where the new format is located (which I found after looking at your "user contributions," which is one of the links in "toolbox") isn't linked. If you wish for more people to help out, I would suggest you link the temporary article directly to the Raleigh, North Carolina, article's talk page. Pentawing 01:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleveland Portal

Calling all fellow Clevelanders! Be sure to regularly contribute and/or expand the new Cleveland portal now online! -- Clevelander 20:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleveland, Ohio FAR

Cleveland, Ohio has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Loodog 00:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Ice Hockey August 2007 Newsletter

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WikiProject Ice Hockey Newsletter

Dear PacknCanes! You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up as a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. The purpose of this newsletter is to update on the goings on of the project, as there have been major changes, and a lot of new recognized content in the past few weeks. If you are an inactive user, you probably won't recognize the new and improved state of the WikiProject!

From the project, Maxim.

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New recognized content

By Maxim
There have been a lot more Good and Featured articles written in the past few weeks. Here is a list:[1][2][3][4]

Featured articles
Good articles
Featured lists[5]
Notes
  1. ^ All articles are in order of promotion, as written on the main WikiProject page; FA's have official dates of promotions.
  2. ^ A star represents a featured article or list
  3. ^ A green circle represents a good article
  4. ^ Stanley Cup is an A-Class article
  5. ^ The lists system differs from articles, and doesn't give an official date of promotion
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Article Improvement

By Maxim

Upon some discussion on the WikiProject talk page, the Article Improvement Drive page was revamped by Krm500 and Maxim. It was renamed Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Article Improvement, and it includes two section. The first section is called articles in dire need of improvement. It list articles, usually important, that are in very poor shape. The second section is called requested help. Users list an article they request help improving a certain article, which will facilitate collaboration, which is the aim of any WikiProject. There is one article currently listed there, Henrik Lundqvist, here. The goal is to at least get it to Good article status.

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Diacritics

By Maxim

In the past few weeks, there has been quite heated discussion about the use of diacritics in article name. The current guideline is using diacritics in the pages of articles of all player names which require them, but redirects are exempt.

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Task forces

By Maxim
There have been two new task forces started within the WikiProject to coordinate major topics.

Sweden Ice Hockey task force

This task force was initiated by Krm500. Its current goal is to improve Henrik Lundqvist to Good or Featured article status. It covers all Swedish clubs, leagues and competitions and associated articles, players and coaches that are Swedish, or have played/coached for a Swedish club, and arenas in Sweden. They plan to eventually operate as a sort of a sub-project, which will have its own articles for creation, ranking importance and quality of articles, and co-ordinate article improvement. Its current members are Krm500, Bamsefar75, and CLAES.

New Jersey Devils task force

This task force was initiated by Bsroiaadn. Its goal is to improve New Jersey Devils to Featured Topic status. Although it currently meets the required article count, the task force wishes to improve it further. Its area of coverage is very similar to the Sweden Ice Hockey task force. Its members are Bsroiaadn, JHMM13, FutureNJGov, Sportskido8, Michael Greiner, JRWalko, and Soxrock.

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Requested Images

By Maxim
After discussion on the WikiProject talk page, Serte created a page for Requested Images. The page encourages users to license images for use on articles. The page also has section to request images for players, arenas, game situations, miscellaneous, and team and league logos. The page has been quite popular; since it was created on July 21, there have been six completed requests. There are four currently outstanding requests:

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Article assessement completed

By Maxim
On July 12, Kaiser matias announced that he had completed assessing all the articles with a {{ice hockey}} tag, sorting them into Category:Unassessed Ice Hockey articles. Kaiser matias has ranked about 9000 articles in that category, and most were stubs, and "have no information at all", according to him. Everybody is encouraged to expand the stubs into real articles. This effort took around 5 months. A big thanks goes to Kaiser matias from me and all the project.


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While the WCPE affilates are only heard in small towns, saying they are almost out of signal range of an PBS station?

--4.85.128.2 06:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Ice Hockey newsletter

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WikiProject Ice Hockey Newsletter

Dear PacknCanes! You are receiving as you are a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey There's been more new thing going on at WP:HOCKEY, and I think this will help you to stay informed. Since the last newsletter sent out in August, there's been great changes. Read on to find out! Maxim(talk)

This just in:
Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has just been promoted to featured list status, while the bot was delivering the newsletter. Maxim(talk) 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

And I've just promoted Art Ross Trophy. And Clarence S. Campbell Bowl is at FLC. This should be the last update. Maxim(talk) 00:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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New recognized content

By Maxim

Especially due to the featured topic drive, there have been many new featured lists promoted concerning NHL awards. Here's the full list of all the 13 FL's promoted since the last newsletter.[1][2]

  1. Featured article Hart Memorial Trophy
  2. Featured article James Norris Memorial Trophy
  3. Featured article Vezina Trophy
  4. Featured article Conn Smythe Trophy
  5. Featured article Frank J. Selke Trophy
  6. Featured article Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
  7. Featured article Lester B. Pearson Award
  8. Featured article Calder Memorial Trophy
  9. Featured article Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy
  10. Featured article King Clancy Memorial Trophy
  11. Featured article Jack Adams Award
  12. Featured article Presidents' Trophy
  13. Featured article List of Calgary Flames players

There have been no new good articles or featured articles. Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has been given A-Class status due to multiple issues raised at FLC.

  1. ^ The last one, List of Calgary Flames players, is the only one not associated with the featured topic drive.
  2. ^ At the time of publishing, there were 5 lists at WP:FLC and 2 lists in the "Holding cell", as there's been an accepted guideline to not put more that 5 trophy lists at the same time to, "compensate for the sanity of the reviewers".
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Did You Know?

By Maxim
There have been 4 new articles featured in the Did You Know section? on the Main Page since August.

...that Wally Tatomir, head equipment manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, holds four patents on ice hockey-related equipment?

...that ice hockey player Mark Major attained 355 penalty minutes during the 1997-98 AHL season for the Portland Pirates, where he averaged 4.5 penalty minutes a game and still holds the club record?

...that Garth Butcher was a member of Canada's first-ever gold medal team at the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships before becoming a pest and setting team records for penalty minutes in the National Hockey League?

..that the AMP NHL Winter Classic is scheduled to be the first regular-season outdoor National Hockey League game in the United States?

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Featured Topic Drive

By Maxim

Started by User:Scorpion0422, the aim of this drive is to make NHL awards a featured topic. A featured topic is basically a set of very high quality articles (good articles and featured articles/lists). In this case, the topic is NHL awards. Many users have helped, including Scorpion0422, Resolute, Serte, Hasek is the best, Maxim, Croat Canuck, Spike Wilbury, FutureNJGov, and T Rex/Dinosaur puppy. The progress has been very good; there are 12 featured lists promoted, and 2 good articles:

  1. Featured article Hart Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  2. Featured article James Norris Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  3. Featured article Vezina Trophy (Scorpion)
  4. Featured article Conn Smythe Trophy (Serte)
  5. Featured article Frank J. Selke Trophy (FutureNJGov)
  6. Featured article Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  7. Featured article Lester B. Pearson Award (Scorpion)
  8. Featured article Calder Memorial Trophy (Croat Canuck)
  9. Featured article Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (Maxim)
  10. Featured article King Clancy Memorial Trophy (Maxim)
  11. Featured article Jack Adams Award (Maxim)
  12. Featured article Presidents' Trophy (Scorpion)
  13. Good article Stanley Cup (Earlier collaboration, very many involved)
  14. Good article Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup (Maxim)

Check the project page if you are interested in helping out. Although it's closer to being done than not, there's still work to be done. The next topic that might be tackled is Stanley Cup, but this remains purely speculative and in discussion.


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