Talk:Pachinko

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Do arrests for gambling really never occur, or are they just rare? - Hephaestos 05:57 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Ammounition

I read that it was invented to profit from surplus ammounition from WW2.

[edit] Misinformation

Pachinko originally was *NOT* a cross between slots and pinball. Indeeded originally the slot machines were completely missing leaving only the spaces where ther balls could go to earn additional pachinko balls. I suggest the page be corrected.

  • This is partly true. Orignally Pachinko machines had nothing to do with a slot machine, however the modern machines all have a video component that is triggered by the mechanical action of the balls. So modern machines are a "cross"... --Gblaz
  • I suggest you both cite your sources. -Nathew 00:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trance link

I removed the link to the trance disambiguation page since, as far as I can tell, the Pachinko machine does not induce an altered state of consciousness which is the only article given on the disambiguation page that I thought could possibly be relevant.

If the machine really does put its user in a trance, then feel free to link to the altered state of consciousness article, or link to a more relevant article if one exists.

Thanks, --Matthew Auger 22:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] History

I read in this article (http://www.pingmag.jp/2006/04/06/pachinko-designs/) that Pachinko originated in the 1920's, so perhaps the WWII ref should be changed to WWI.

12.11.157.254 15:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)tastewar

[edit] Super Mario Sunshine

Is the "See also" link to Super Mario Sunshine really necessary? I mean, according to the SMS page, a mini-game resembling pachinko exists in a secret level. Does that really make it noteworthy enough to include a link on the pachinko page? There have been (literally) dozens of video games that do nothing but simulate pachinko- why not include "See also" links to every one of those games? -- Kicking222 16:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm making my own decision- since the user who added the SMS link is apparently a new user with the only thing on his user talk page being a vandalism warning (not that I'm claiming this is vandalism in any way, as it's not), I'm choosing to remove the link. If anyone cares... well, now you know. Feel free to discuss. -- Kicking222 16:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Four pictures, but no clear pictures of a pachinko machine. Does that strike anyone else as odd? --Elijah 21:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Funny how I came to this article to learn what a pachinko machine was, but I still only have a vague idea. An actual photo of one would go a long way to illustrate this topic. 67.175.75.186 08:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

100% agreement. Just as with the anonymous user, I came here to see what Pachinko is. I still don't know what Pachinko is or looks like. - JNighthawk 16:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, add my voice to the choir. It's an article on pachinko, without one single clear picture showing what a pachinko game looks like. That definitely needs to be fixed. Can we copy any from the Google Image search on pachinko? A picture of a few pachinko balls might be good too. -- HiEv 20:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I live in Japan so I'll try to take a picture of one and post it. I don't think, however, that most pachinko parlor's usually allow that but I'll try. It may take me awhile to get it posted. Cla68 00:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
There's some decent pics that can be viewed on eBay if you put in pachinko as a search term. -Timvasquez 04:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I can only echo the frustration above... the article really needs a photo of the subject. I vaguely remember seeing them on TV once, but was hoping for a clear photo... especially of the new "hybrid". For now I'll follow the Google link. Good article though! 213.122.90.153 11:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I was upset by this too, and decided to do some hunting on flickr. I found a few Open pictures that I'll add later unless somebody beats me to it (time for bed). There are also some clearer wide/"actoin" shots. Finally, what's the deal with the street performers advertising a new parlor? How is that really related to pachinko? --Belg4mit 06:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Online Pachinko

Is this for real? As far as I've been able to confirm, you can play for money. But the games themselves arent that well made, which makes me wonder if they count.

Are these games sanctioned by the 'Interactive Gaming Council'? That would be a quick way to verify if they are "legitimate".

I hear some people argue there is an element of skill involved, while others claim this is balderdash. I honestly don't know, but it seems like something worth mentioning in the article.

RE: Take a look at the links below

http://www.gamblingcompliance.com/node/7598

http://www.onlinepachisuro.com/index.php

There seems to be alot of buzz going around of online pachinko and pachisuro games to be appearing soon. This year apparently. They say mid-October.

I found this information site. Its in japanese though.

[4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason j 13 (talk • contribs) 12:38, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

All Jason 13's contributions relate to online pachinko. These "there is a lot of buzz going around" and "Is this for real" posts remind me of spam.

Bro, take a look at the disscussion below. I posted some comments.

[edit] Children's Pachinko

I need some verification that Japan has children's version of pachinko which are played at night markets, fairs, and festivals. I know both Japan and Taiwan sells toy pachinkos made of bright colored plastic and uses small metal balls. But, the one I am refering to as the children pachinko is home-made using wood, nails, and glass marbles which are cheaper than steel ones. I know Taiwan night markets have them when I was a kid there, we redeem glass marbles for toys and candy. Anyone know about Japan's side of things?

RE: Bro, I can confirm that, and comment on the one previous about online pachinko. I live in Japan, and yeah, they do have both Pachinko for kids at 祭り or "matsuri" (Festival in direct translation.) I have not seen very many wooden or homade looking ones (although yes, on occasion)', but I have often seen pachinko or pachisuro machines at matsuri that just looked like old machines that are no longer being used, and for "fun" - In game arcades, karaoke, hotel lobbys, department stores-Everywhere! Its "entertainment"- many of the games are based around manga etc., Where can I post pics to verify this?

And yes, my personal opinion is that online pachinko and pachisuro will appear sooner or later-If they dont exist already. Although Jason 13s dates are off, in my opinion, it is bound to happen. As a matter of fact, there already exist a few "play for fun" online pachinko and pachisuro sites out there (Yahoo Games Japan among them) and have been around for a while, so I dont see why a hypothetical real online pachinko is unfeasable. If a western gambling form such as online poker and blackjack can be successful here, I dont see why a Japanese form cannot be. (Although, online pokers success here may be due to the fact that it is hard to find a willing partner with enough time and money to play with in Japan- Due to the lifestyle)

There is definitely a market for something like this in my opinion. The "brick and mortar" pachinko industry is huge here　-　it must be worth billions(needs citation-Will this do?http://www.gamblingcompliance.com/node/7598 ).- In addition, I read a satistic somewhere that over 70 percent of Japanese households own a PC (But this needs to be confirmed-I know), in addition to having one of the most up to date infrastructure in the world (Also needs citation). (Being in Japan, proving that technology is widespread just seems silly, so forgive me if I come off a bit too strong-I mean...they have finger print ID phones with credit cards, GPS, internet, TV, games, camcorders and MP3 players built in them- so much that PC sales are dropping, automatic cab doors as well as talking vending machines, elevators and, robot pets! These are all normal things here!- Huh, what?, Citation!!?? Argghh!! LOL)

As far as the law is concerned, gambling is supposed to be illegal in Japan- Period. How land based pachinkos work is a mystery to me. But simply their existence is enough to convince me that there would be a way to create virtual pachinkos.

The underlying point is that it is a definite possibility.　

The site link that Jason 13 posted is an info site among other sites where you can find info about online gambling in Japan.

Just search under オンラインパチンコ or オンラインパチスロ (online pachinko or online pachisuro)


—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.102.203.105 (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)