Talk:Overseas interventions of the United States

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[edit] No to mergers

list-o-military history / overseas expansion / overseas intervention are three different things Esmehwp 23:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

But the List of United States military history events has sections on interventions, so this duplicates this.Ultramarine 23:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

then shouldn't they link it across to intervention article? ... fine merge them if you want as long as long as you're doin it in good faith Esmehwp 00:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I think if you are going to merge the information you should be proactive and argue with the folks who think the information is article worthy in and of itself, e.g. talk to Travb.... Mrdthree 21:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The criticisms not being simply a list of interventions should be merged with the "Opposition to United States foreign policy" article. "Travb" has not objected since I started editing these article series, so he is probably retired.Ultramarine 21:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Strongly against. These are two separate subject. Moreover, until a merger is decided upon, please don't gut this article of entries that other editors have deemed necessary to this article. Griot 21:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Both articles lists interventions (although the other one has sources). Much of the material here is simply a very incomplete duplication of the other article.Ultramarine 21:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Another editor have pointed out that the other article is a list, while this can have more detail. I think this is a good argument, so I will remove the merger proposal.Ultramarine 00:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

If this one may have more detail, it must have solid references that deal with the topic in a way of summary, rather than just a former list expanded with editorializing by a wikipedian. `'Miikka 23:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF MERGER -- this article is duplicative of existing articles, and I see no indication (per comment from Miikka) that any proposed revisions will offer anything new. Is this a list of US Military Actions/overseas conflicts? Then it is covered under that article. Is this is a list of U.S. overseas annexations? Then it is covered under that article. I say: delete it and be done with it. Jkp1187 (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Against- As I understand it, the Military Actions Overseas is exactly that, overt military actions by the United States, as admitted to by congressional reports. It does not include covert military, political and economic actions by the United States in foreign countries. Where for instance should US involvement in the 1954 overthrow of President Arbenz in Guatemala be listed?--David Barba (talk) 00:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs Total Reworking

It is difficult to tell exactly what happened to this article, other than Ultramarine removed huge amounts of material without discussion. However, I do prefer the current historic, rather geographic division of US interventions as it previously stood. As it stands, the article is currently a poorly written butchered stub. The Cold War section needs the most work, additions. There is extensive scholarly research on US interventions in the world (largely the Third World) since WWII (Cold War). I will shortly begin adding and hope others will join me in rewriting what should be a good and extensive article rather than this stub. I understand a lot of POV issues arise with this sort of subject, so let scholarly work be our bench mark.--David Barba (talk) 09:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I've come up with a list of countries for US interventions during the Post-WWII/Cold War period. If anyone wants to help out with the leg work of writing bits for each country, feel free. I am sure I missed countries, not too up on my African Cold War history. I put question marks next to countries I am not certain of. Thanks--David Barba (talk) 21:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Cold War: Latin America: Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Guatemala, Cuba, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, El Salvador, Paraguay, Panama, Peru, Granada, Haiti?, Honduras?, Nicaragua, Venezuela? Africa: Angola, Democratic Republic of Congo (Zaire), Egypt, Libya, Liberia, Mozambique, South Africa? Asia: Afghanistan, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Pakistan, Philippines, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Vietnam, Yemen? Europe: Germany, Greece, Italy

[edit] Reversion

I reverted the article to an older version due to the massive deletions made by single user Ultramarine, the effect of which was a butchering of the article to a useless and void stub. The previous version has citation, writing style, and possible POV issues but it is a more fulling fleshed out text, easier from which to work with and improve rather than rewrite wholesale. I hope others assists in the task.--David Barba (talk) 00:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)