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[edit] Oven types

I have included a list (draft) of oven types. There might be more types, anyway i see room for expansion. User:Yy-bo 17:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

What really should happen here is that this article (Oven) should become a disambiguation page, pointing people to individual articles that cover all the topics you've raised. Most of the current content of this article probably belongs in a hypothetical Oven (cooking) article.
Atlant 19:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Here a list (which has been removed from the article): relevant revision

[edit] Merge Industrial oven

  • Support merge. Not enough content to have it's own content. +mt 18:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Although Industrial oven is poorly written and a stub, I feel this article is about cooking only which has a rich history and culture, while Industrial oven has a completely different use with its own unique history, use and culture.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 02:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Convection oven is in essence an evolution of the cooking oven and as such should be part of this article instead of separate. I also feel the article should be renamed "Cooking oven" and the Industrial oven article should remain separate as they both have two separate histories, uses and cultures behind them.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 02:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

  • CommentAs a matter of fact, should not many of the "ovens" listed on the "oven" page be merged into the oven articles that are used for cooking, especially those which are stubs?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 02:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strongly disagree with proposed merges. While it is true that all such things are ovens, they are distinct types of oven. A convection oven, a microwave oven, an electric oven, and a masonry oven are all quite different subjects, even if they sometimes overlap. In any case, there's potentially enough information in all of those articles that the Oven article could potentially become very unwieldy, especially for dial-up users. Haikupoet 01:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)s
  • Agree with Strongly disagree Convection ovens are far more expensive, work differently and are considered distinct in the market place. Our purpose here is to divide up knowledge into segments that would often be most looked for. Most people coming here would know what an oven was but not know exactly what a convection oven was or how it worked. Therefore the distinction is important. A person looking for this difference might have to wade though way to much to get his answer in an article on ovens.
Comment - If it wasn't for the list at the bottom of the article, this article would almost be a stub, it at most now is a low-quality start, this is because without the modern information from these other ovens, there ends up being very little to talk about These are all oven, and if someone would eventually bring them past the stub mark, then a summary would go on here along with a link to the "main" article for that particular type of oven as many other articles do on large subjects such as Beer (different styles and other subjects).--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 02:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, well, here's what I think. Looking at the specific articles you've proposed for the merge, I think I can make a comment about them. Clome oven and possibly Horno could be merged into masonry oven without much difficulty, I think, but wood-fired oven and earth oven are more problematic. The first is a somewhat separate subject because masonry oven covers several different heat sources, including wood, gas, coal, and electric. The second represents a different but closely related branch of the family tree with its own evolution. Convection oven really has to be separate just because of the completely different physics of the heating process. Overall, though, I'm not sure I'd worry so much about the main Oven article -- it's fine for its purpose and it can always be expanded with some information on how we got from hot rocks to microwaves and fans. (BTW, is kiln linked anywhere in the article?) Haikupoet 16:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
No kiln is not because this article is about culinary usage.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 20:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
That would appear to be a deficiency in the article's content more than anything else. Essentially it seems like an article just on ovens should deal with most or all aspects of an oven as a "box of heat", not just how it's used in cooking. It might be best to try to fill out other aspects of the article before deciding whether to merge or split it. The alternate possibility would be to create a disambig page at Oven, but I'm not too sure we'd be looking at a proper subject for that sort of thing. Haikupoet 05:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Each of the articles proposed to be merged is a fertile enough ground for expansion to stand on its own. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Multiple Merge The culinary devices all should be together, Industrial devices should all be together. Along with the stove merger this is getting problematic, there are too many related articles that are stubs that should be part of the same articles, written in WP:Summary style.
  • Comment How about we start with the definition of a culinary oven:

    A Culinary oven is a device used for heating or cooking of foodstuffs. An oven is traditionally a sealed container in which food is placed for cooking by indirect heating using a form of radiant energy, usually in the form of thermal, infrared\luminescent or microwave radiation.

    Here is a description of the ways ovens are heated: The heat used in ovens that are powered by thermal energy can come from various sources including electric coils, combustion of various fuels or air heated by thermal convection. Luminescent ovens traditionally will use a high powered light source while microwave ovens use high frequency electromagnetic waves in the 2.4 MHz range.
Now all of the various articles on types of cooking ovens that are spread out through WP are all the same thing - if you step back and look at them analytically. They all basically do the same thing, whether cooking a roast, pizza or cake, regardless of their shape or manufacture.
Just a comment on my thoughts about the subject - Jeremy (Jerem43 01:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
  • Keep as is. Kiln has moved into this article since the merge was suggested. Really this article as a general 'principles of cooking / heating things' with the additional articles for specific types of ovens (the way it is now) seems best to me. Under the idea that microwave ovens, convection ovens, etc. are the same in principle, we would not have individual articles on car, truck, pickup truck, and perhaps even locomotive-- "they're all the same in theory-- vehicles designed to move from one place to another using wheels and some sort of engine". The articles all have the potential to have a lot of historical information, information about invention, patent, historical and regional use, modern use, etc, and merging into a single article would result in a large article that will eventually have to be sliced up. We're better off with the half-baked articles for now ;) Matthew K 23:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)