User talk:Outcast44

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Hello, Outcast44, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Happy editing! Recurring dreams 12:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] DEFAULTSORT

I notice in some of your recent edits you have been adding sorting information to category tags in articles containing the {{DEFAULTSORT}} tag. This is unnecessary, as the purpose of the {{DEFAULTSORT}} tag is to automatically specify category sorting information.

So, for instance, in the article Stephen Dedman, which contains the tag {{DEFAULTSORT:Dedman, Stephen}}, all the category entries are automatically sorted "Dedman, Stephen", so you do not need to add that information to each individual tag; you only have to add sorting information to any categories (if there are any) that should be sorted differently.

I hope this is clear; feel free to ask any questions that occur to you. --Paul A 12:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


Thanks Paul. I realised this last night and will be backtracking to fix any extraneous category tags I've added. --Outcast44 12:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Nomination: Brimstone Press and others

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Wikipedia articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem that Brimstone Press meets these criteria, an editor has started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

Your opinion on whether this article meets the inclusion criteria is welcome. Please contribute to the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brimstone Press. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them.

I also nominated:

Discussions such as these usually last five days. In the meantime, you are free to edit the content of the article. Please do not remove the "articles for deletion" template (the box at the top). When the discussion has concluded, a neutral third party will consider all comments and decide whether or not to delete the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 02:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] COI Advice

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  1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with,
  2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors,
  3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);
    and you must always:
  4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography.

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Let me add something to what Jreferee said above. If you are in fact connected with the articles you've been creating and editing, you should not participate in those deletion discussions unless you reveal your connections. Even if you have a conflict of interest, you may still always use the article talk pages to suggest article improvements, but you'll need to avoid editing the articles in most cases. Please read WP:COI for full details. - Jehochman Talk 02:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Brimstone and Australian horror writers

Hi Jreferee and Jehochman. Here is a copy and paste of what I said on the Brimstone Press AfD discussion (and which i'll paste into the other AfD discussions to play it safe):

  • I'm an avid reader of Australian horror and on the weekend (3 days ago) I began a project to wikify the Australian horror writers and publishers I knew of. I used the Australian Horror Writers Association and Brimstone Press as my start points as they're the ones i'm most familiar with (like me, Brimstone is in Western Australia) and i've been expanding out from there. I've also been in contact with one of the writers Shane Jiraiya Cummings who gave me alot of advice and told me where to look for more sources. From my contributions, you'll see i've revised entries for writers like Rocky Wood (and his link on the books about Stephen King list) who doesn't appear to have any connection to Brimstone Press (although he's a Horror writers Association member). I've also edited entries for other Australian horror writers (from the Category:Australian horror writers) - Lee Battersby, Martin Livings, Kim Wilkins, Stephen Dedman etc and I am looking to add more this week - Jason Nahrung, Paul Haines, and a couple more i've heard about. Re: independent coverage - i've been uploading these entries with the sources that i've been able to find quickest: the online links, the Ditmar Award and Aurealis Award winners lists, the Australian horror writers Association pages, online interviews and news posts on HorrorScope and ABC Online. I thought these refs would be seen as independent (enough) coverage while I looked into more sources, although some of the stubs (like Marty Young) don't have many references - but they're stubs!. I'm looking at more sources offline too. For example, i have a non-fiction book called Australian Speculative fiction: A genre overview by Donna Maree Hanson which i've cited on Cummings' entry but haven't got around to adding to the others. My goal is to expand the Category:Australian horror writers and if other people think the entries i've made aren't notable enough, then fair enough, they should be deleted. If this is the case, most of the writers in the category might have to go. But these entries aren't spam. I just need more time to fill them out and add more references. I've only been at it 3 days! --Outcast44 14:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I can see how it looks like a cross promotion for Brimstone Press but i've been linking to all linkable publishers I could find in the Australian horror writers bibliographies and it looks like Brimstone has published most of them at least once. Other publishers i've been linking are MirrorDanse Books, Ticonderoga Publications and Andromeda Spaceways Inflight Magazine. The stub articles I wrote don't have alot of references but you'll find every one of them has at least one reference or note that comes from a verifable third party . Obviously the references are not complete but i'm working on that! This really is a genuine attempt to build a referenced wiki of Australian horror, not spam! --Outcast44 14:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

An afterthought on the perception of the WP:N of the articles I created. The authors/publisher entries i've created are all literary award winners or nominees. The Ditmar Award for example is otherwise known as the Australian Science Fiction Achievement Award, an award that recognises the best works in that genre in Australia each year. It may not have the same weight in some circles as, say, the Walkleys or Nobel Prize for Literature but it looks to be Australia's highest genre fiction award (on a par with the Aurealis Award and internationally recognised. A quick internet search shows the international science fiction trade magazine Locus has gives the award detailed coverage,[1] as does ABC News Online.[2] and other international SF news sites.[3] [4] [5] [6] Even very well known literary authors such as Peter Carey have won a Ditmar[7], so I was basing WP:N for my entries on award wins or nominations (in conjunction with other achievements of course!). I don't plan on creating entries for Australian horror writers who have not won or been nominated for such awards, or who have not made substantial contributions to the genre and achieved a fair degree of international recognition. --Outcast44 14:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)