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Contents 1 Terminology. 2 Knight Wolf 2.1 Third party opinion 2.2 Cam 2.3 Triassic Ranger 3 Silver Ranger 4 Dispute 5 Lunar Wolf and Zhane as White Rangers? 6 New Discussion on Blue Senturion 7 References 8 Nomination for deletion 9 Solutions 10 PRJF Violet Wolf Ranger

[edit] Terminology.

Ok. I guess i'll have to say it here as well. As of the moment, "Solar Knight Knight" is the proper name for "daggeron"'s Ranger form. Ace Class Shadow 04:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not get this section. What is the definition of "other rangers"? Normally it mean that an additional ranger comes in later of the series. There are some rangers that are missing in the article that considered an "other ranger".

IMO, this section is sort of confusing, also would it make more sence just to say other ranger and ranger allies since of the characters are not really rangers. 65.115.123.226 16:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

That would technically be a "Sixth Ranger". "Other Ranger" refers to any additional Power Ranger that does not fit in with the common color system of Red, Yellow, Blue, Black, Green, Pink, or White. Ryulong 20:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

That make sence, I have nothing else to say, thanks for clearing that up, really appreciated. 65.115.123.226 15:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, even cleared up the confusion in the article space. Ryulong 23:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knight Wolf

The Knight Wolf is a Ranger, just an evil one. He has a morpher (the Fury Morpher), a Zord (Catastros), and his suit looks like a Ranger's. And since the US version usually follows the Japanese version, it is more than likely that he will turn good, his color shifting from purple to crimson, and he will fight as the 8th good Mystic Ranger.Qilinmon 02:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

He is not a Ranger until he becomes one on the show. If he is added to the article again, I will remove it and will continue to do so until he is shown on the show to be a Ranger. - The One and Only 04:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Addendum - The Fury Morpher, as you are so ready to point out, is generally assumed to be the upgrade for the Mystic Morpher which will activate Nick's Battlizer. Again, we won't know that until it's shown. And, if Koragg's suit looks like the Rangers', then Goldar's suit looks like the Rangers'. Koragg's suit is the diametric of the Mystic Rangers'. And, yes, I know how Magiranger turns out, but was there a clone of the Abarekiller in Abaranger? No, there wasn't. Ergo, Disney could change their minds and keep Koragg evil. We don't know. Not until it's televised. - The One and Only 04:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, guys, hate to be a bother but...when did blue senturian morph?

Or the Phantom (Ranger) for that matter?

As i recall "Phantom Ranger" was a nickname given to him by the team. Furthermore, his counterpart was definitely not Ranger. Not even much an ally in normal scale battles, either.

Just something to think about. Ace Class Shadow 05:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Even though there was a White Ranger clone, the real White Ranger did turn good. And Knight Wolf does look like a ranger (he even has a ranger emblem), albeit an armored one (ever seen the Magna defender, he looks less like a ranger than Knight Wolf) And Goldar looked like a flying monkey with NO ranger-like qualities. Knight Wolf has a morpher in the sentai version, a red-and-gold Mystic Morpher, and the Fury morpher toy has Knight Wolf's emblem (a stylized W) on it. And if being on the US show determines entry into this article, then take Daggeron off too. Qilinmon 18:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

However, the special case for Daggeron is that he has been confirmed in numerous sources. John Tui is going to be his voice. I've removed Koragg's information again and will continue to do so until he is shown to turn good. - The One and Only 02:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I have asked khaosworks to review the situation.

1. Daggeron has been confirmed as being the Solar Knight Ranger.
2. Koragg has not been confirmed as turning good; His sentai appears "good" in Mahou Sentai Magiranger. There has been no confirmation that he even has a "human" or "alternate" form.
3. He doesn't look like a Ranger. And "Rangerlike" doesn't necessarily mean "Ranger".
4. The Psycho Rangers were more "Ranger" than Koragg, yet they don't appear on this entry. - The One and Only 21:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Even though it's not "exactly" the same thing, if we're going to remove characters for lacking human forms and ranger like appearances, can we seriously consider Blue Senturion and The Phantom? It's only fair. Ace Class Shadow 21:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Not with the way the article is worded. And the last sentence: "It would be right to say that any ranger not belonging to the core five is actually an "Other Ranger", no matter what color they wear." Eh? My primary concern is that Koragg is added to the article with no indication AT THIS POINT that he is going to turn "good". The Mouse may decide to keep him evil through the run. - The One and Only 21:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I´m the one who wrote this sentence, so allow me to explain (I´m Brazillian, and my English is not 100% perfect so forgive me for any spelling mistakes). For almost the entire Sentai run, there were only 5 rangers, until Zyurangers, with the first 6th ranger. From them on, every ranger not belonging to the core five (or three) have a suit with slightly (sometimes completly) different design, and are almost aways autonomous both in their zords (who sometimes can combine with the core zords, but also fight and finish a monster on their own) and final blows (either having his own finishing blow or not having one at all, although again they can, but not NEED to, add his power to the finishing blow of the core group); while the core rangers need each other to both their final blow and to create their Megazord. By considering this, many rangers should be under this section, (like both Tommy´s green and white suit, the Quan tum Ranger, etc...). I´m not asking to do this, but is something worth mensioning for anyone reading this article.

P.S.: And about Blue Senturion being or not a Ranger, he is the 6th hero in the series, this being the reason he should be mensioned in this article, even if it needed to tell that his status as ranger is disputed, or that he is a Ranger-Like ally (my personal opinion. He is not a Ranger, but has powers and acts similar enough to be in this article)

And, unless someone decide to creat an article about evil Rangers, they should be here too. DinobotTM2 19:48 Brazillian time, April 15th, 2006

But this isn't a matter of color. Blue Senturion isn't a blue ranger or any other kind of ranger. He's a robot. Based on the "clues" given from toys and wiring which can be seen In Space, The Phantom may be, as well. Koragg has a greater chance of becoming a ranger (or, if done Magna-style, the benifactor of one) than either of them, but if we're agreed about Koragg, let's remove them, too. Ace Class Shadow 21:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Fine. I've removed the Blue Senturion, however, I left a "disputed" note on the form of Phantom Ranger. Since he was supposed to be the "spirit of all past Rangers", I think he has more of a claim to Ranger-status than Blue Senturion. If you feel this is unacceptable, I leave it in your capable hands to remove him. - The One and Only

Alrighty. That's a much better arrangement. I thank you. Ace Class Shadow 22:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third party opinion

Hi, I was asked as a neutral party to look into this. I don't know much about the Power Rangers universe, so I hope that is enough not to color any opinions that I state. It seems to me that the problem boils down to a matter of criteria: what really makes a Ranger? Does it simply mean that if a character has a morpher or Zord, or exhibits Ranger-like powers, they are a Ranger, or must one not just have that, but be on the good side as well?

If the answer is that it's just a matter of powers, then evil Rangers count as well. If it's a matter of being, in addition, on the good side, then pending confirmation that the US version will follow the Japanese version that turn Koragg good (as likely as it may be), then placing Koragg here is speculative, and needs a verifiable source before firm placemment.

A possible compromise might be to include him (and this can apply to other disputed ones as well) but tag him as only being so on the Japanese version of the show and mention that whether or not he does turn good on the US version is unknown.

Hope this helps a bit. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, whatever standards there are for rangers are even looser for "Other Rangers" though, I appreciate your addition and I think i'll do something about the Description. Ace Class Shadow

Just stopped by the page and noticed ALL of the activity here. Just a few questions. I thought the Phantom Ranger was a Ranger (hence the name). How can a Ranger have disputed status he was officially called Phantom Ranger in the US show and in the toyline? And since Blue Senturion was removed, does this mean to have Ranger status, they must be able to morph, be good, and/or have a Zord? Coronis 23:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

"Phantom Ranger" was a nickname. His article confirms that. In fact, to put it simply, nearly everything about him is speculation if one truly looks at the data from a NPOV. As for what makes a Ranger, I'd say a morpher and/or power source (not counting the morphing grid), A Non-Ranger form, an alliance to the side of good, "Ranger" as part of the official name designation——partially joking here, but it helps——and of course, having exploits in reality and being deserving of the power! (I'm looking at you, Boom.)

Having a Zord is not a requirement. At least, not a fair one. Zords, as evidence in various seasons, come later and as such aren't part of the original deal, so to speak. Having one does help, though.

Ace Class Shadow 00:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Dino, I think you misunderstand some things about this page. Here, variant Rangers are listed. Not additional heroes, but whose colors don't fit into the normal (White counts toward said norm being both a primary color and used by two female core rangers.) Thus, Sixth Rangers with key suit colors officially" acknowledged as being Red, Blue, Yellow, White, Black, Green or Pink don't count. In other words, Mighty Morphin Green, Tiger White, Quantum (Red), Green Samurai, Dino Black Brachio and Dino White Drago are excluded.

Going back to the Blue Senturian and his japanese counterpart, surely VRV Master counted as an ally in a similiar fashion. Granted, He was a father and not quite as active as the Phantom, but still. If we include Blue, we'd have to include a whole army of non-ranger allies. Since he's not a Ranger, he doesn't belong. Sorry.

As for evil Rangers, one of the points the "Other Ranger" intro makes is that other rangers have to be good. Furthermore, there are far too many evil Rangers———And/Or Rangerlike villains. >.>———to count and add this page. Plus, some of them are so minor (in some cases, seemingly included obly to follow some unwritten rule about having at least one evil/rogue ranger per season) they don't deserve noting.

Feh. Sorry to shot you down like this, Dino, but as much as i respect your opinion, I don't see any justification for changing the article so drastically just to included characters which don't even fit the definition.

And technically, the article already acknowledges that any ranger who came after the core team counts as an "Other Ranger".

I Know the article sais that. I was the one who wrote this sentence (before creating an account, I edited lots of articles here...). I just saw it mensioned here and felt a need to explain the concept of other ranger. I know about the use of color schemes to define where each ranger belong here in Wikipedia. I said I wasn´t asking to put them in this article, just that the explanation as needed. And I quote myself: "I´m not asking to do this, but is something worth mensioning for anyone reading this article."

Back to the Blue Centurion case, in the whole PW run, he and Ninjor are the most Ranger-Like allies they have. Changing the focus of the discussion to the diferences between he and the rangers, there are only otwo: he doesn´t Morph and isn´t called "ranger". Not being human or human-like isn´t a issue anymore, with many alien rangers who aren´t even remotely human. In my opinion, it´s not enought.

And I still think it would be nice to mention the evil rangers, even if it´s in their own article. DinobotTM2 17:11 Brazillian time, April 16th 2006

Okay. Okay. My point is that the current intro negates any need to even mention "evil rangers" or allies. And as for Blue, all he really has going for him is having a zord. You mentioned that there are many non-human rangers,———BTW, I never claimed otherwise. I never personally said he or anyone else needed a human form be a ranger. I don't know where you got that from.———but seemingly forget that they, too, have non-ranger forms. Thus, your arguement still doesn't hold up.

As for the evil Rangers, if you want to write an article about them, may the power protect you, but they're not worth mentioning here.

In fact, the most I think we could do to in regard to all the "mentions" you've suggested for this article is say something like "The following characters are not other rangers" and then list them all by name. You see what I'm saying? Ace Class Shadow 21:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cam

Excuse me but the Navy Thunder Ranger doesn't really belong here. Despite the obviously weird color, in Power Rangers Ninja Storm, Cam the Green Samurai Ranger was obviously the Other Ranger. He was the last to recieve powers and fight, his Costume was the biggest variation of the whole team, and....he was a samurai. Every other ranger was a Ninja.Rayfire 17:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Green is a standard Ranger color, Navy isn't. Title has a large effect on a Ranger's designation by fans and, thus, Wikipedia. Being an Other Ranger isn't simply about coming in last and having an unusual costume or designation from the others. What about Hunter? Exactly. I take it you're a Navy Thunder fan. That's fine. But there haven't been any "Navy" rangers since Blake. Green, on the other hand, is both a common core color and other Ranger color. Check the Green Ranger article. He's there. The Anti-Gnome 21:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I tend to disagree. I've been mulling over this for quite a long time and I believe that Cam belongs in both the Green Ranger and Other Ranger articles since he fulfills the qualifications of both. Just as the Crimson and Navy Rangers belong in the Red and Blue Ranger articles, respectively, I believe Cam's position as Green Samurai Ranger qualifies him for dual articles. He much fulfills the same role as Tommy did as the Green Ranger and White Ranger: morpher, different power source, Zords which combine with the others for stronger combinations, distinct weaponry and even his designation. - The One and Only 22:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yet Tommy isn't here, either. Fans considering Hunter and Blake Red and Blue, respectively, is their bag. Cam's green. The conditions for being a technical Other Ranger are mentioned at the end of the article. Aside from that, Hunter and Blake are here because they have unusually colors and designates. Say what you want, but i haven't seen another crimson ranger or a shade of blue as dark as Blake since...well...Blake. Cam's green. Big diff. He's not meant for this article anymore than Tommy, Trent or Udonna.

The intro specifically states that those colors are separate. We let Cameron in, we gotta let Tommy in. We let Tommy in, we gotta let Trent in. We let Trent in, We gotta let Udonna in. Then, if there's a green ranger in bou's counterpart, even if he's designated as green in both countries, we gotta let *New guy* in. This isn't a list of every additional ranger from each season. It's a list of Rangers who, by designation or uniform, don't fit any existing color group. A shield and the title of "Samurai" don't count. By suit and name he's green. End of story. The Anti-Gnome 02:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Yet, by the very definition of the last sentence in the Other Ranger article introductory paragraph, Tommy qualifies, as does Trent, as does Cam. - The One and Only 03:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

But only the technically. The article itself isn't meant for this. It's like..."Honorary" status. They're "honorary" Other Rangers, but they fit in other categories and, as such, don't belong here. The Thunders are a special case. However, if you're this serious—Kinda sad, BTW—about it, expand. Add everyone else. I insist. Then, once you're is statisfied with the inaccurate information displayed, we'll debate what makes Hunter and Blake "Red" and "Blue". After all, Isn't "Pink" just a lighter shade of Red? Add all the Pink Rangers to the Red Ranger article! It makes perfect sense! The Anti-Gnome 03:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triassic Ranger

Even with a different name, the Triassic Ranger is a power-up for Conner. I don´t think he should be here. DinobotTM2

Technically, information-wise, he isn't. But what happened to wanting everyone that fits the profile to be (mentioned) here? Heh.

The Red Ranger powers weren't a "powerup" for Schuyler, yet he used them over (or in place of) his Blue Ranger powers, right? Triassic has his own morpher, zord(s), weapon, costume (colorscheme, helmat/visor shape, shoulder pads), SDM-Battlizer combo power-up, separate Ranger action figure and secret identity (granted, it was another ranger, but that should count). He has all the qualifictions of the phantom, mike and THENSOME!~ Now, if he was/did identify himself as simply a powerup, that'd be something else, but as far as everyone else sees it, he's an other ranger, separate from the core team and colorgroups. Ace Class Shadow 18:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Let´s put things in the right places: I saw one of my edits being used here, and decided to log in and explain why I wrote it. The mension ALREADY exists. I wrote it myself. My problem here is that I think Blue Centurion should be here, and the evil Rangers should appear somewhere, either here or in a article of their own (evil rangers are rangers after all). Every other Ranger is in place in their color topic. Just saying that every sixth Ranger is in theory an Other Ranger is enought. Am I clear this time?

That said, going back to this subject: Ace, most battlizers have it´s own morphing device (or changes the shape of the original one). Almost all power-ups change the look of the costume, but keeps the basic colorscheme (The details may change, bur it´s still red, right?), and lots of them have their new zord. Also it wouldn´t be the first time a ranger has more than one zord, or a zord piloted by an upgraded form (If you think this way, Andros also had a zord controlled by his battlizer morpher, remember?) Triassic Ranger isn´t a isolated ranger, is just a power-up for Conner with a fancy name for itself. And, like Leo, he wears his Battlizer over his powered-up form.

P.S.: And answering your own question, the only reason for me not to make an article for the Evil Rangers is because I´m aware that my english is not good enought to write a full article. People already correct my spelling and grammar in almost every article I edit (and I´m Ok with it. The information remains, and that´s the most important thing) DinobotTM2

Okay. Thing is, Blue Senturian wasn't a Ranger. He was a Powerful Ally. There have been numerous Evil Rangers (many of which only appeared in one episode or some lame two/three part story arc and were never seenm heard or mentioned aqain. Furthermore, most/all decent Rangers that acted as antagonists later switched sides. If the article wasn't deleted as "Fancruft" it certainly wouldn't be of much use. This, not my own laziness, is why I recommended you make it yourself. I've seen too many articles get deleted in my time, and I'd rather not make one that I know could fail. Plus, I'd have go half-heartedly digging up sources, Etc.

I'm sorry if you made (a lot of edits to) this article with hopes it would turn out differently, but I'd just like to say that it, in it's current form, is nearly perfect. As it is now, this article is for ambiguous Rangers easily excluded from any other list due to their name. I think Conner's "power-up"—a video term overused in power articles and fandom—is in fact, another Ranger identity. Now, my POV alone wouldn't and shouldn't be enough to place him here, but...guess what? He already is. Someone or Some majority of people had the common sense to bring this article to its current form. Even if i have to do it alone and with objections, I'm going to defend that consensus. To that end, I am spelling out the following, and, if necessary, adding it to the article:

1. This article is not a list of powerful additional characters. 2. This article is not a list of every addition or sixth Ranger ever imagined. 3. This article is not a place for characters who acted as nothing but antagonists. If a character uses their powers solely for negative purposes, they're not Other Rangers (who are good (in the end) by definition). In fact, to paraphrase Anubis Cruger, "They're not even Rangers!". 4. This article is NOT to include Rangers whose color is designated. Rangers with any of the accepted colors in their titles are to be excluded. Silver doesn't count since it would only count toward additional rangers, exclud one ranger from this name by designation and have nothing but Rangers what other fans consider "Silver" along him in any possible "Silver Ranger" article.

That's about it, I think. I truly am sorry, but I do believe the article is better off this way. We already have too many rangers listed in multiple Ranger list articles. It's almost vital we don't corrupt this one by listing (unimportant) characters who would be better off elsewhere.

"Powerful allies in Power Rangers" and "Antagonistic Rangers" are two possible articles to be made for Blue and the "Evil" Rangers, respectively. Allies would be a tough one to moderate, but by name only, should include anyone not considered a real ranger but with powers and/or costume similar. It could list the Phantom, as he's only a "Ranger" by nickname. Boom, of course, still wouldn't count. though. On the heels of MF, It might be a great time to make such an article. Clare, it seems, mighty be turning out to fit, Jenji probably would. Sentient weapons/vehicles/zords might be a problem. Feh, all this is really tiring me out. I'm out to do more patrolling. ACS (Wikipedian) 06:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Ranger

Should the silver rangers get there own article? because come Relic hunter time there will have been 4 silver rangers. There has only been 5 white rangers and they get there own article so.....yea.

So far, only one Ranger, Zhane, has had the official title of "Silver Ranger". Therefore, the so-called "Silver" Rangers should remain in the Other Ranger article. Andros 1337 22:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute

Can anyone tell me why exactly is the Phantom Ranger's status as a Ranger disputed? For God's sake, it's the Phantom Ranger. >_>;; --Thrashmeister 22:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There, I think I cleared it up a little bit. 70.106.220.156

[edit] Lunar Wolf and Zhane as White Rangers?

This sentence just confuses me, when their Super Sentai counterparts were GaoSilver and MegaSilver. Ryulong 03:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Discussion on Blue Senturion

Regardless of the fact that he is "not a Ranger" and is a robot, his prominence in Power Rangers: Turbo and the metaseries itself should deem that the Blue Senturion requires note on this page. He had his own Zord, weaponry, and character development (although some of it was comedic effect). The Magna Defender and the Phantom Ranger who are also not exactly Power Rangers are also listed here. Even though he is an homage to the Metal Hero genre, many of the Metal Heroes did morph. Ryulong 22:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

A similar case could be made for characters such as Ninjor and Clare the Gatekeeper who exhibited Ranger-like powers and also assisted the Rangers in their battle. Perhaps this article/list can be renamed/expanded to encompass these other characters. Ryulong 00:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And a very simple decision solves 90% off all discussions here. Congratulations again, Ryulong. DinobotTM2 04:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you (again). Ryūlóng 05:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

This article does not contain any specific references to reliable sources. In one of his reversion edit summary, User:Ryulong said that "everything else can be cited to the episodes or at best official toy sites" -- however, neither that nor two other articles I've put these flags on provide citations (e.g. links or even mention of) these specific episodes or websites.

User:Ryulong mentioned on his talk page that a Wikiproject "will work on" adding references -- emphasis added by me. I don't see a plausible basis to remove those tags that indicate references aren't yet here. These tags are there to help articles and inform editors that assistance may be useful. Why hurt the articles by removing them? --EEMeltonIV 19:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for deletion

I have nominated this article for deletion due the fact the terms used in this article are not official and not used by any site or place i know of. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Other Rangers and Ranger-like allys for more. Mythdon (talk) 05:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

That is not a reason for deletion. What this needs is a better name, but there is nothing that covers all of these. Also, the nomination is entirely malformed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Solutions

Ok. I want to do an alternative to what i have attempted previously, the previous attempt was AFD, but now im thinking of other ways to keep this article in the right path.

First, lets move the article to another title (such as Other Ranger colors, or like Other Ranger designations). Second, lets get rid of any mention of "Ranger-like ally" since that category is questionable as to whether or not it actually exists. Is that good enough?. Mythdon (talk) 02:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the two kinds of characters are generally intertwined. "Other Power Rangers" would work as a title, and if the various Ninjors and Magna Defenders are to be mentioned (as they are often thought of being Rangers or not) some sort of mention of these characters should be made in the title, or simply a different article be made.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

When can we take the actions?. Mythdon (talk) 05:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Why are you so impatient?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Im not being impatient. Im just asking when you think they should/can take place? Mythdon (talk) 05:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PRJF Violet Wolf Ranger

Why was the info on PRJF Violet Wolf Ranger taken off? it know secret who he is and what his morpher,weapon,and zord are.now that i have a account on here everything will have this user name Inferno17 attached to it . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.219.230 (talk) 23:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

He isn't in the show yet. Power Rangers Wikia should not be used as a source (as they have no quality control there). Until the character appears morphed and in the show, then there should be no mention here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)