Talk:OST-Arbeiter

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[edit] Refs

Good topic, surprisingly not covered on en-wiki. Definitely dykable, but needs to be wikified with refs; will try to help.--Riurik(discuss) 18:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

My father was only 14 when he left Ukraine (Lubny). He wound up looking after some horses near Vienna. He was beaten a lot by German officers. He told me about a severe whipping he got after a sick horse lay down and got some manure on its coat. he was in charge of brushing the coats. He was not repatriated because he lost his documents and when they reissued them they wrote down that he was born in Lublin rather than Lubni. Lublin was in Poland and as a result he was not repatriated because of the Yalta Agreement. Bandurist (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, what a story. That should be a DYK on its own :).--Riurik(discuss) 21:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK suggestion

Just a suggestion, feel free to modify.--Riurik(discuss) 22:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. It is accurate. I would like it to include the word Ukraine but those that are interested willgo to the article. 01:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It's close to the subject, and some inevitably will go there as well. Here is where the suggestion is posted.--Riurik(discuss) 04:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Pictures & Photos really help to put the article in context. Good job! Bobanni (talk) 04:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Red link

There is a red link to in OST-Arbeiter#Work_and_employment to Ford Werke. What exactly is this? According to the Cologne article, Ford motor company has its headquarters in that city. Is this supposed to be that? Ostap 05:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed Bobanni (talk) 05:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thanks. That was fast. Ostap 05:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


DYK - That despite the fact that there were so many of them working in Germany, and the fact that they were treated appaulingly in th e worst factory munitions jobs, I have never seen an OST Arbeiter in any Hollywood movie production ever. Not even standing next to anyone. Bandurist (talk) 12:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sympathy Plug

Is there a reason why this entire article reads like a sympathy plug for Ukrainians? Other then a few snippets of historical information, the article is practically yelling "Hey! Look at how bad we were treated!" This talk page evidences it, and it is quite comical. Mojodaddy (talk) 16:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Doubts about accuracy

Since 2,5 mln to 3 mln Poles were taken as slave workers to Germany, I do have doubts that Ostarbeiter were made primarily out of Ukrainians.--Molobo (talk) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Not all Ukrainians had the designation OST. The ones that were marked OST were primarily from Reichskomisariat Ukraine. Western Ukrainians did not have to wear the OST badge and Western Ukraine also came under a different juristiction in the Reich. Most of Western Ukraine up to WWI was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and as a result many Western Ukrainians spoke German because it was taught is schools. As a result Western Ukrainians were treated much differently than Eastern Ukrainians. This treatment continued even after the War. In any case, most Eastern Ukrainians were repartiated back. Wetsern Ukrainian were able to make it to the West because they were not Soviet citizens before the War and were not subject to the Yalta TreatyBandurist (talk) 20:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I have requested citation for that claim. The difference between OST-Areiters, if they were mostly Ukrainians, and other Slavic slave workers of Germany should be made more clear. Do note that Eastern workers redirect here. Surprisingly I couldn't find anything at forced labor in Germany or slave labor in Germany (even through we have Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union); pl:Roboty przymusowe has no interwiki to en (!) and there is only a little at History_of_slavery#Modern_times.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The article currently says (with source) that there were 3 to 5.5 million. So Molobos estimate would make 100% Poles. I am skeptical. Ostap 21:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
My data comes from encyclopedia and German Historic Institute[1].From below information it seems that Eastern Workers was a different name for workers out of Soviet territories. The problem was that there is no general article about Slave labour used by German in WW2.--Molobo (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additional information that could prove useful about German use of slavery

[2] --Molobo (talk) 07:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture from Kyiv

I have just uploaded this picture [3] taken in Kyiv during the war and I believe it shows gathering of OST arbeiters. What do you think? Narking (talk) 15:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forced labor in Germany during World War II

I have created this parent article, feel free to contribute to it.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)