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[edit] How many were saved by Schindler?

1,200 jews saved

After reading a letter written by Oskar Schindler’s former workers, signed: Isaak Stern, former employee Pal. Office in Krakow, Dr. Hilfstein, Chaim Salpeter, Former President of the Zionist Executive in Krakow for Galicia and Silesia.

There was the statement: "Here we are, a gathering of 1100 people, 800 men and 300 women.

However there is mention in the letter of another 100 people that schindler saved: "Concerning Director Schindler's treatment of the Jews, one event that took place during our internment in Bruennlitz in January of this year which deserves special mention was coincidentally a transport of Jewish inmates, that had been evacuated from the Auschwitz concentration camp, Goleschow outpost, and ended up near us. This transport consisted exclusively of more than 100 sick people from a hospital which had been cleared during the liquidation of the camp. These people reached us frozen and almost unable to carry on living after having wandered for weeks. No other camp was willing to accept this transport and it was Director Schindler alone who personally took care of these people, while giving them shelter on his factory premises; even though there was not the slightest chance of them ever being employed. He gave considerable sums out of his own private funds, to enable their recovery as quick as possible. He organized medical aid and established a special hospital room for those people who were bedridden. It was only because of his personal care that it was possible to save 80 of these people from their inevitable death and to restore them to life."

Were these 100 people (80 that lived) ever accounted for in this article?

5/01/07 1:22am(Pacific)24.13.9.213 08:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)Nate24.13.9.213 08:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lonely being a hero?

Acknowledging that alcoholism can be, often is, a progressive disease. Acknowledging that the baseline for entrepreneurship is not real good, that most new businesses fail, even when it's a business you're very familiar with and even when it's adequately capitalized.

So the question is, Why did Oskar have such a rough go of it after the war? Fully acknowledging the above two aspects, and more, I still think a big part of it is that it can be very lonely being a hero. People so much need to see their image of you that they often do not see the real you, and they often do not seem to have the emotional energy for getting to know the real you. You can't just depend on previous friends. Part of a normal course of life is also making new friends. And being a hero can make that difficult.

[edit] Works Cited=

There are no citing notes referenced anywhere in the entire article. Where'd all this info come from? I'm putting a cleanup template at the top. 201.68.117.231 23:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cemetary

"...[Schindler] was buried in the Protestant Cemetery, Mount of Olives in Jerusalem."

I was just watching the bonus material from the movie Schindler's List, and according to it, Schindler's buried on Mount Zion, a Catholic cemetery. Since I'm no expert in WWII history, I simply point out the discrepency here. Hopefully some other more knowledgable Wikipedian can sort it out.


Sounds more probable. I dont know Schindlers religion, but since alot of germans of the Southern regions of Germany were&are catholics, it would make sense to pressume he was a catholic.


[edit] Idiocy

Removed "He has been arested many times once he was arrested for thanking and then kissing a small jewish girl on the day of his 36th birthday."

No source can confirm this, besides, of course, Schindler's List. This is why we don't write articles based off movies.

Added real arrest information.

-alex12_3

It's stated in the currect version of the article that he was arrested for kissing a Jewish girl. Is this or isn't this correct? -68.114.154.249 22:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

==

I have read in a few places (although I don't know nearly enough to write about it) that Schindler armed the Jews in his protection. Some information on this omission would be worthwhile in the article, if anyone knows more or can research it. Lord Bodak 22:32, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] spy?

Quote; Today it's known that Schindler was an Abwehr agent

Can anyone shed more light on this? -- Andrew Chung 18:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

A large part of the Abwehr was covertly opposing the Nazis, including its Chief, Wilhelm Canaris, and several key-officers. One source that states Schindler as an Abwehr agent is David Crowe's Schindler bibliography.

Thank you for the link sorry who put their comment here earlier but u didnt time stamp or leave your name (Yes i know i didn't leave my name earlier but i did not know how to use wikipedia before) -- Andrew Chung 18:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading sentence

"When advances of the Red Army threatened to liberate the camps, they were destroyed, and a majority of the inmates were executed." I now realize that this sentence meant the general concentration camps and NOT schindler's camp but it was kind of confusing. If I am correct, it would be helpful if someone reworded that sentence. Flyerhell 08:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stupid entry

I removed the comment "He also had a 5 inch penis" from the summary. I don't really see the relevance of this, even if it is true.

Some really cool kid must've written that, naturally. :/ -Anonymous

[edit] Birthdate

The introduction says he was born on the 18th of April. However, section 1 says he was born on the 28th of April. Which is correct? secton 21

[edit] His Grave

Ive seen the movie, and I know that the stones have been put by the Jews he's saved. Are the stones glued sumhow so that no one takes them? paat 19:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been to the cemetary in Jerusalem where Oskar Schindler is buried (in March of 1999). I do not know if it was a Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish cemetary, but I can tell you that the rocks are there, and they are not glued on. Having seen the movie, the sight of the stones is, for some reason, very moving. --Shawnsgia 07:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grave

I went to Jerusalem in April '06 and visited his grave.

Stones are left on a grave by those who visit. This is a Jewish tradition, as opposed to a Christian one. Despite Schindler neither being Jewish nor buried in a Jewish cemetery, it is unsurprising to see the numerous stones on his grave.

Hope that helps

82.33.50.141 18:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schindler purposely produced faulty ammunition in an attempt to put the German military at a disadvantage during the war.

Were the Germans so naive, like in propaganda movies, to buy faulty products or rather executed too smart producers? Xx236 12:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schindler was arrested twice on suspicion of conspiracy, but managed both times to avoid being jailed.

The same "twice" mentioned earlier? Xx236 12:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irrelevant and ungrammatical sentence

"He was born into a wealthy business family, for all of Schindler’s child hood he was spoiled, his parents bought him

anything he wanted and made sure that he lived a full life." I'm deleting this sentence. It should be footnoted or something; plus it is just poorly written, so it's gone.

[edit] Clarification needed

"Schindler...tried—again with help from the Jewish organization—to establish a cement factory." What organization? Clarityfiend 21:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An endearing conclusion sentence would be nice

Such as; "He gambled a way through history's currents that are shaped, once dug beneath the surface, by men of quite ordinary convictions and preoccupations and mannerisms and fears, and he occasionally won." Cretanforever

Poetic, but out of place in an encyclopedia. Clarityfiend 20:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Unsubstantiated wording

"Schindler brutally gained the ownership of a factory..." What does that mean? Provide a source and an explanation please. Clarityfiend 20:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC) .. hmm

I have a testimony, given under oath to Yad Vashem on this issue. It was given in Polish and I have the official translation to Hebrew([pages 4-5 herein]). For some reason the link doesn't work. Please copy it into the address bar of your browser.

Additionally, i have the unofficial undocumented numerous testimonies of Nathan Wurzel to me - I'm his grandson. Eyal Keidar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ekeidar (talk • contribs) 18:40, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The third Christian named Righteous Among the Nations

This is probably true since someone put it here. However to me it gave me the idea that only three Christians were given this honor. If you check out the article you will see that several thousands of people, mostly who lived in Nazi occupied Europe, were so honored. I'm sure that many of them were Christians. I also don't think the Israeli government considered a person's religion in awarding the honor. Steve Dufour 00:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I've edited that paragraph in the article, as there were a number of misstatements. As has been written elsewhere, in fact over 21,000 have been so honored. The award, by definition, is to remember those Gentiles (most of whom were certainly Christians) for saving Jews during the Holocaust. JGHowes 00:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homosexual? Illegitimate children?

Note: I'm putting this back in after an anonymous user at 60.240.56.128 removed it a couple of weeks ago without explanation. (I'd like to know why this was removed, and how it went undetected.) -71.80.31.11 11:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I came across the following statement on the IMDb board for Schindler's List:

"But last year, I learned from a biography about Oskar Schindler by David M. Crowe (it was vehemently appraised even in Germany, thus it is most probably true), that Oskar Schindler had a homosexual relationship with Amon Goeth."

Apparently the biography in question is called "Oskar Schindler: The Untold Account Of His Life, Wartime Activities, And the True Story Behind 'the List'". I've heard no mention of this elsewhere, but it's definitely something that should be added to the article if it can be confirmed. -68.114.154.249 22:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I found the following article (originally from the NY Times) speaking of the biography:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Schindler/OOF1104.html

There is also a claim that he fathered two illegitimate children.

Furthermore, the claim in this Wikipedia article that "In 1963, Oskar Schindler was named a Righteous Gentile (non-Jew)" may be incorrect.

I'm going to check the local libraries for this book, as it should provide quite a bit of information not mentioned in this article. -68.114.154.249 14:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Schindler/OOF1104.html

David Irving is hardly a useful source; the original NY Times article would be.

I'm not saying that link should be used in the article, I just couldn't find any other archive of the NY Times article to use in the talk page. The actual biography by David Crowe should be used to reference these facts, if it can be obtained. -68.114.154.249 16:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I've just removed a reference to his being gay, but only because it appeared in the opening sentence of the World War II section where it clearly doesn't belong even if it was true.--WPaulB 17:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] his grave and what his factories made

The engraved words on his grave, what do they mean? and in the entry he only had the enamelware factory, did he have an ammunitions factory too?

I don't know about the Hebrew (or perhaps Yiddish?), but the German says: "the unforgettable lifesaver of 1200 persecuted Jews". Junes 20:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello : Someone vandalized the section "Early Life." Just pointing this out.

[edit] 190000000?

The statement "He saved as many as 19 0000000 Jews " seems to be off by an order of magnitude or two... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.134.80.93 (talk) 08:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

  • This edit by unregistered user 203.208.93.226 has been reverted. How can an unregistered user edit this page, anyway? JGHowes 17:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
regrettably, the "semi-protection" for this article has now expired and my request today for renewal of semi-protection was declined, so this article is now vulnerable to anonymous IP vandalism and mischief JGHowes 23:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I would highly recommend semi-protection against (anonymous) nazis today, denying the holocaust etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirjapan (talk • contribs) 05:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] References

There are lots of books and external links for this article, but would it be possible for someone to provide inline references based on this material? Citing your sources is crucial for verifiability purposes. We all know what Schindler did, but we need to be able to prove it through reliable sources. See WP:CITE and Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced Article Cleanup for more information. -- Qarnos 09:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German profanity

Regarding Schindler's response, when told it was not proper to shake a Jew's hand, this Article for a long time just stated the German word without an English translation, referring to it as "a German scatological term".

Recently, the English translation was inserted by an Editor. The problem with that is many school and home filters will block the article, as a result. This would be unfortunate, in my opinion, because many high school students research Oskar Schindler when studying the Holocaust, and should be able to access this Wikipedia article.

On the other hand, I realize that Schindler's response (although not sourced in this Article, which is another problem) does give insight into his frame of mind and attitude towards Nazi Germany's Nuremburg Laws discriminating against Jews.

So, as a solution, I've "veiled" the English translation by linking it in-line to the Wiki English translation of German profane terms: that way, anyone who wants to can click on the English translation readily, without the main article being blocked by software filters. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears. JGHowes 00:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

For me the "insight into his frame of mind and attitude towards Nazi Germany's Nuremburg Laws discriminating against Jews" is clearly shown by his support of Nazi military organization (I mean Abwehr) before the war, by his entry to NSDAP after the war's beginninig, by his participation in the stealing of jewish propety (he gained twice the jewish factory!), engaging of jewish slaves etc.--Honzula 11:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
What I mean: this story for me is nothing more then a story and could be omitted. But we cannot say it's true or false, because the only hypothetical witnesses were Schindler and Itzak Stern and they both say it happened. But I'm sure, the story shows only the Schindler's attitude to rules and not his attitude to the Nazi policy. But of course I cannot prove... --Honzula 11:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Soemone unlinked the term and added the English vulgarity again.--WPaulB 20:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added a ref to the word scheiße with a link to Wiktionary. Hope it will be useful to people. -- 06:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Kirjapan; this covers all bases. The article explains that it's a "German scatological term" and the link is explicit. This way, the article will be accessible to students and won't be blocked by school and home filters. JGHowes talk - 15:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of saved Jews

Several days before, somebody changed the number in the initial sentence "Oskar Schindler (28 April 1908 – 9 October 1974) was a Sudeten German industrialist credited with saving as many as 1,200 Jews" to 1,100 Jews. In fact, this number is closer to the reality, but why I suggest to keep the original number is, that Schindler is usually and widely known as the man who saved 1,200 Jews. I think the number 1,200 c r e d i t e d to him could be there together with the real number 1,100 below (may be with explaining comment)--Honzula 11:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have documentation for 1,100 people, then do change it, but before even making such a comment, you should have your facts checked, and documentated, or else it's pretty useless. Besides, his own grave says 1,200, which was put there by the very same people that he saved. - Kirjapan 05:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schindler and the German invasion of Poland

Honzula, what is the source for your recently added edit, "Then he continued with work for Abwehr, paving the way for the German agression [sic] against Poland"? Stating that Oskar Schindler was complicit with German military intelligence in the invasion of Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, requires a source, please. Until then, I'm removing this sentence. JGHowes 18:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Several Czech and Polish authors (and even one English) state this. This was one reason why he move to Ostrava - to be closer to polish borders. Some also says that he was entangled in the Gliwice incident, but it doesn't seems possible. I think, he just collected informations before the invasion. The source is the same: GRUNTOVÁ, Jitka, Legendy a fakta o Oskaru Schindlerovi, Naše vojsko, 2002. (2nd edition). I think, there is no better sourced book in the Schindler's topic. I will find the names of other books in few days.--217.197.144.218 08:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Well the source (book of Gruntová) is added. It is also credited, that also in the book of David M. Crowe nad even Emilie Schindler (Memories) the work against Poland is mentioned. I've read also reference to one book of Robin O'Neil, but I cannot find which one it should be... Well, back to the book of Gruntová: she cites the postwar protocol of two interrogated men - former driver of Abwehr in Ostrava and one informer of SD, they both mentioned Schindler among others who were working against Poland. In the book there is also photocy of two gestapo documents from summer 1940: Then somebody (may be the polish resistance) was misusing the Abwehr forms and envelopes - gestapo jailed one man, who admitted to stealing some papers from the house of Oscar Schindler in July 1939 by request of Polish intelligence service. Schindler then refused, that the stolen papers were the forms and envelopes of Abwehrstelle Breslau and claimed that stolen was only the "private letter" with the stamp of Wehrmachtarchiv and some jewelry of his wife... Very interesting is also the copy of document from July 1938, when Schindler was jailed by Czechoslovak police on betrayal: he admitted that he had (among others) to "observe the emigrants" - the people who came to Czechoslovakia when escape from Nazi Germany.--Honzula 13:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't read Polish and unless there's an English translation, that's not of much help as a reference in the English Wikipedia. I've edited the sentence per WP:REDFLAG JGHowes 01:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
For me it is quite difficult to get the english book such as Crowe's Oskar Schindler: The Untold Account of His Life or the english version of Emilie Schindler's memories. May be, you could check them?--Honzula 17:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Oskar Schindler and the Gleiwitz Incident. UK TV's Channel 4 aired a documentary titled "The Real Oskar Schindler". The programme claimed Oskar Schindler was the black marketeer who supplied the Polish military uniforms and identification papers, to those who took part in the attack on the Sender Gleiwitz radio station.

[edit] The Case

In the Autumn of 1999 a case was discovered in the attic of a house which had belonged to friends of Schindler, containing over 7,000 documents and photographs which had belonged to Oskar Schindler. The "Stuttgarter Zeitung" (the local newspaper) analysed the contents of the case; Emilie Schindler received copies, the originals (including the list of the names of those he had saved and the text of his speech before leaving 'his Jews' in 1945) ending up in the Holocaust Museum of Yad Vashem in Israel. Emilie was finally awarded €25,000, but not the case and the documents, from the paper.

The first reference link is now behind apay-to-view archive, and the second is in German. I can't read German and Babelfish gives an awful translation, so what is this about? I don't even see mention of his wife in the remaining available article. A case was found containing documents and photographs owned by Oskar. His wife got copies, the originals went to Yad Vashem, and Emilie got €25000 from "the paper"? Some kind of property settlement obviously, but was there a fight over ownership or soemthing?--WPaulB 19:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "See Also" Section

I think there should be some kind of note here that explains who the people in this list are and what relevance they have to the Schindler article. Obviously, if you click on a few of the names and take a cursory glance at the articles, you'll be able to figure out that these people are others who like Schindler, saved Jews during the Holocaust. However, there should some sort of note stating that, just to clarify the section and avoid confusion. Jxw13 15:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Any editor can take a few minutes to check a link in this section and add a comment.--TraceyR 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of saved jews changed again... (were the children counted?)

Ok, now I changed the number of saved jews from "almost 1,100" to "almost 1,200", this time with added sources, finally. 1,098 people according to the list itself and 100 people according to a letter signed by Isaak Stern and more. See main article for sources. -- Kirjapan 05:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The additional 100 people is apparently a group that Schindler persuaded the Germans to send to his factory as it needed additional workers[1].
Assuming the list was created in early 1944[2] then one puzzle is that it does not have anyone the age of 14. This page[3] indicates there were children at Plaszow but it's not clear if any were transferred to Brunnlitz. The story says 800 men were shipped to Brunnlitz and 300 women and children were accidentally routed to Auschwitz. That adds up to 1100 but there are no children on the list.
These pages also refer to the children
  • [4] - "Oscar Schindler was a modern Noah", Pfefferberg said, "he saved individuals, husbands and wives and their children, families."
  • [5] - "He loved children; he would always call us 'kinder, kinder."
The implication is that Oskar Schindler saved 1098 "adults" age 14 on up in the main list plus 100 additional adults he had transferred to work in Brunnlitz plus an unknown number of children that were with these adults. This may be why some sources credit him with saving 1300 people. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 07:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
As an update on this - I watched the movie Schindler's List last night and the movie shows children on the trains from Plaszow with boys on the train to Brunnlitz and girls on the train to Auschwitz and then Brunnlitz meaning 1098 adults (age 14 up) plus an unknown number of children under were transferred from Plaszow to Brunnlitz. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 09:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I counted in the movie and there were 8 boys and 17 girls. So that's how many extra he saved. 69.143.226.129 (talk) 03:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Place of death

The article's text says he died in Frankfurt, while the infobox says he died in Hildesheim. Olessi (talk) 04:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I took a look and was unable to find an authoritative source for this. Some sites report Hildesheim and others Frankfurt. I think part the confusion is "A former neighbor of Schindler's in Frankfurt, Dieter Trautwein, confirmed that Oscar Schindler spent the last months of his life in Hildersheim with his friends after becoming ill."[6]
It seems well established that he was living in Frankfurt and apparently after the suitcase was found in Hildesheim it was learned that he sent the last few months of his life in Hildersheim. It's assumed this report is correct and not an invented rationalization for how the suitcase ended up in Hildersheim. The report though does not help in knowing whether Schindler was still in Hildersheim or had gone back to Frankfurt immediately prior to his death.
Presumably someone will need to dig up an obituary or news article that reports on his death that would report on if he spent his final hours with family, friends, etc. and where they were. It seems more likely that he did die in Hildersheim. Neither of the city web sites[7][8] shed light on this though both cities have roads named Oskar-Schindler. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Marc: According to a plaque on a house in Hildesheim ref, he died in Hildesheim. Apparently he moved there from Frankfurt in 1971, to live with a Dr. Staehr and his wife (whom he had met while in Israel) in their house in Göttingstraße 30. He died in the St. Bernward Hospital in Hildesheim ref. Will you make the change to the article? --TraceyR (talk) 00:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Tracey. I see you have already updated the main article. Thank you. I added a reference tag to point to the site you found. Using the data you found I found a blog[9] which has more details and also the same photo as the site you found. The curious thing is the resolution of this photo is much better and you can actually read the plaque. Click on the magnifier. The photographer, Klaus Metzger, is credited and which leads to http://www.spock.com/Klaus-Metzger where he says he lives in Hildesheim. Unfortunately, we can't use a blog as a "reference" but apparently Mr. Metzger is the one that blogged up a visit to the Hildesheim house and the photo was then taken and scaled down for their site. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 11:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not too sure that's a "reliable source" insofar as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned; so to be on the safe side, I've added the City of Hildesheim's official website archive page on the subject (albeit in German), which states unequivocally that Schindler died at Bernward Hospital there. JGHowes talk - 15:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


You can be sure, that he died in Hildesheim. I am from Hildesheim! I am a little disappointed that our city named only a very small street after him in the suburb of Hildesheim. He lived in Hildesheim from 1971 - 1974 in the house of Dr. Heinrich Stähr and his wife Annemarie (Ami) Stähr in the Göttingstraße 30. During this time he was already very ill from a stroke. The son of the Stährs, Chris, found the suitcase in the attic and took it to Stuttgart. But first, he went to the Hildesheimer Allgemeine Zeitung, to tell them of his discovery. But in Hildesheim all is a little bit slow and provincial. The editors didn't recognized the value of the documents and showed no interest. So he took the suitcase to Stuttgart and the Stuttgarter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper made a big story out of it. They sold the story worldwide. Emilie Schindler, the widow of Oskar, sued the Stuttgarter Allgemeine Zeitung because of the money they made with the publication of the suitcase documents. She said, the suitcase belongs to her, his wife. She lived in Argentina in poverty. She said she would loved to live in a residential home for the elderly in Regensburg, Germany, but has no money for it. She only got 25.000 Euro. But during her last days she met a lot of prominents (B. Clinton, S. Spielberg, G. Schröder, pope Johannes Paul II. among others) and didn't return to Argentina. She died after a stroke 2001 near Berlin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.236.30 (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Holocaust Heroes?

The "See also" section is growing to an unwieldy size. Maybe it's time to create a "List of Holocaust Heroes" article and move these - consensus? JGHowes talk - 18:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sensible idea. I agree. --TraceyR (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
See the existing List of people who assisted Jews during the Holocaust, Righteous Among the Nations and List of Righteous Among the Nations by country.--Pharos (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The problem is these lists aren't always shown as "See also" wlinks, such as this one (until today). Not all Holocaust-related articles seem to have the {{The Holocaust}} tag, thus the existence of these list articles is not always readily apparent to the casual reader. I've just done a Redirect page from "Holocaust rescuers" to List of people who assisted Jews during the Holocaust, matching the piped wikilink already at {{The Holocaust}} for readers searching from the Main Page or articles not having the Holocaust template. I've also replaced the lengthy list of individual names with wikilinks at "See also" to the above Articles/Lists. JGHowes talk - 06:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mind the Gap

Can we do anything about the large gap between the paragraphs of World War II? I'm using a high-resolution wide-screen monitor, and the gap is more than a 1/2 screen deep.--WPaulB (talk) 16:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem is with {{The Holocaust}} template, because it's overlapping the article sections. I've shuffled the images to fit it (almost) within the WWII section. This should be better now JGHowes talk - 22:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick fail GA

I'm failing this GA because there are no citations in the World War II section, the largest portion of the article. There are only 11 sources used, and the lead is too short. By doing this, I am not discouraging any editors from improving it. On the contrary, bringing an article to GA or FA takes a lot of work and a tiny bit of obsession. I like to say that editors who are willing to put the amount of work into an article to see it through these processes honor their subjects. Schindler deserves to be honored, and this article doesn't yet do it. I hope I see it again soon in a better state. If you have questions or comments, please contact my talk page. --Moni3 (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emigration to Argentina

The article states this: "Eventually, Schindler emigrated to Argentina in 1948", but a plague on a house in Regensburg/Bavaria ([10]) says: "Oskar Schindler saved 1200 jews during the Nazi-terror. He lived in Regensburg from November 1945 till May 1950, at first here and later in the house Alte Nürnberger Straße 25" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.250.243 (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)