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[edit] Budgewoi, New South Wales

Top effort on the Central Coast Stuff!!!!!!!!! However, have a look at a Street Directory and you will find that the suburbs listed are not incorrect...sorry about the summary description where I sound a bit like a tool, but I thought it was me who had deleted the suburbs. Todd661 08:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WP:3RR

You have reverted my edits more than 3 times. You have violated WP:3RR. Do not revert again! Todd661 09:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So you just prefer that a blatantly wrong date of 1991 remains? I don't want to be antagonistic about this but it should be removed until either us can find a correct reference. Osakadan 10:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
It is not blatently wrong, as I have said. It is verified from an official government source...Anyway, can I just say that I am not normally this slack to newbies, I just didn't like the way you deleted the stuff I had written, when all I was doing was adding to your article. I am sorry. Anyway, keep up the good work on Central Coast articles. For an article like Budgewoi you should aim to get it to look like these 2 suburbs: Waterfall Gully, South Australia and Yarralumla, Australian Capital Territory. My current project is The Entrance, New South Wales which I think is a bit over halfway to featured status. Todd661 11:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I beg to differ, It is blatantly wrong and the evidence I provided you for the Entrance page shows this.

1991 is incorrect for the Entrance (and Budgewoi). This is because of inaccuracies in the records of the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales. It seems all dates are set at 1991. Even the board states on their own site: On 15 Dec 1910, a receiving office for the Post Office was opened under the name `Karagi` an Aboriginal word for `the entrance`, `the door` or `the way in`. It was applied to the point on the south bank of the channel at the ocean. It was not popular. On 15 Nov 1911 `The Entrance` was adopted. (Pratt E, `Place Names of the Central Coast`) © Geographical Names Board of New South Wales Drawing dates by a bot (or whatever it is called causes these problems on all the Central Coast Dates. With this in mind, I respectively suggest that the establishment names be deleted on all of the Central Coast suburb pages until a more accurate reference can be found. Osakadan 11:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Toukley, Gorokan, Buff Point, Kanwal, Long Jetty, Ourimbah, Doyalson and even Wyong are all listed as having the same Assignment date of 17 May 1991. This is either a glitch in their programme or possibly a change in designation from town to village or some such thing. I stand by my assertion that the establishment dates should be deleted.

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name/search Osakadan 11:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey folks. Well this is a bit awkward, when I was writing up the Kanwal page I was sure that it was called Kanwal long before 1991, but the government database disagreed with me. In the end I decided to stick with the GNB date, for three reasons. Firstly, and probably most importantly, I made the assumption that the GNB database might be an official date that Kanwal was recognised as a suburb (as opposed to a local, informal, naming of the area). Secondly, the database seemed to be correct for more recent namings that I was sure of (eg Central Coast and Hamlyn Terrace). Thirdly, what other date could I have used? Obviously I couldn't make one up and the Wyong Shire Council web site had no information on the matter that I could find.
Leaving it blank was ofcourse an option, but if the date was correct, then someone would have added it in anyway. If it was incorrect then someone would probably have noticed the error, and perhaps offered a government reference that disputed the claim. Thankfully this has happened, so now, what to do with disputing references? At this point, we still don't have anything that says these place names were officialy recognised before 1991. Hopefully we do find something that says this, or maybe someone can contact the GNB or WSC to verify the information, and we can make the change, but until then I think it's best to leave the dates as is, and again, hopefully someone else notices it and knows where some official stuff on the matter can be found. Cheers, darkliight[πalk] 13:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for adding to the discussion Darklight. Appreciated. With all due respect I do not agree with using the GNB dates.

1. Just because it is a government sorce does not mean it is correct.

2. Anecdotal evidence shows us these dates are completely incorrect.

3. The GNB has inconsistencies itself. Look at the entry for The Entrance. It givesthe official establishment date as 1991 but on the same page shows 1911 as being when The Entrance was adopted.

On 15 Dec 1910, a receiving office for the Post Office was opened under the name `Karagi` an Aboriginal word for `the entrance`, `the door` or `the way in`. It was applied to the point on the south bank of the channel at the ocean. It was not popular. On 15 Nov 1911 `The Entrance` was adopted. (Pratt E, `Place Names of the Central Coast`) © Geographical Names Board of New South Wales

With all of this in mind, academic rigor tells me that the gnb dates should not be included.

The problem I have is that we know The Entrance was adopted in 1911, but we don't know if that is an official date or just when the locals decided to start calling it that. I agree with you, I think the 1911 date is probably official, but until we have a source that says that, or get confirmation from the GNB that they've stuffed up, I think the dates should stay together with the official source. If it is wrong, we (or someone else that notices the wrong date) will find something more official than anecdotal evidence eventually. Cheers, darkliight[πalk] 13:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is about the suburb of Budgewoi. GNB cites that the suburb of Budgewoi was officially designated a suburb in 1991. Therefore this article needs to reflect this. This is the same as the Central Coast. Although the region has always been referred to as the Central Coast it was officially recognised as a region until late 2005.
Wikipedia is a community project, and therefore if disputes arise, consensus MUST been reached. What is a certainty is consensus among the few main editors of Central Coast pages has been reached, and that consensus, with 2-1 majority is that the GNB should be the main source of the dates that suburbs are officially recognised. Osakadan, please do not remove edits made to the infobox again or further action will be required.
Your edits to Wikipedia are greatly appreciated as they are helping to build a better encyclopedia. Be Bold but please respect the guideline of Wikipedia concerning Consensus. Todd661 08:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! Do I know you? (Is this the Dan that attends Black Veil and such?) If not, do you live in Ikuno? Thanks for the info, Illuminatedwax 00:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Every Nation

Thanks for adding the material on Every Nation to several school articles. However, most of the material properly belongs in the Every Nation article, rather than being duplicated in each school article. What should appear in each school article is only what is relevant to that particular school.-gadfium 19:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Please explain why you have reverted to your version. I do not wish to edit war with you, but the material you are adding is out of place in these school articles.-gadfium 01:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, and another new editor has brought up the same concerns. Please keep this material to the Every Nation article. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 11:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Victory Christian Fellowship

Thank you for reverting this article to the better version. I only arrived there from the recent changes page on anti-vandal patrol and then I ended up in a revert battle. I'd temporarily given up so your intervention was very much appreciated. Random Passer-by 20:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Posting in English

Perhaps, you say "Don't write in poor English.".

But if you live in Osaka,and you have poor english,how do you do ?

I saw some incorrect articles about Kansai,and I realized that amount of information of Kansai.Many japanese actually feel so.(Especially, except Tokyo.I only want to correct them or show "Kansai".

Again,if you are me,how shuold you do ? I wrote articles carefully,I wrote at "Discussion" of the article before I write article.And I left evidences at "Discussion" of those airticles.

galuboo 11:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osaka - Transport

Please see "Transport" - "Discussion" - "Osaka (City)".

And Please show me the evedense of "proximity of ITM to the Kobe, and Kyoto city ".

galuboo 12:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Utsubo Park - Osaka

I'm sorry,I want to say "大阪科学技術館" near Utsubo park. And I saw "大阪科学技術館" of japanese Wikipedia,and jump (I push link to) english version.So It is "Osaka Science Museum" (Or "OSTEC Exhibition Hall "). What is truth ?

galuboo 10:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "The" Symphony Hall - Osaka

Excuse me,"The Symphony Hall" is the name of this hall.Or there are not the hall in Osaka in "Symphony Hall" article......

galuboo 10:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

In English we do not say "The".

[edit] Sign your comments please

You seem to have a bad habit of not signing your comments on Talk:National Union of General Workers‎. Please see Wikipedia:Signatures. Sparkzilla 05:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

And you seem to be a pedantic little xxxxxx. The first was an accident, the second was to see if you rise to the occassion again with some pissy little comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osakadan (talk • contribs)

[edit] Talk page deletion

Please do not delete content on your talk page, especially warnings. Archive the items instead Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#When_pages_get_too_long. Thank you. Sparkzilla 10:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Osakadan. Don't take any notice - as the little dictator knows very well your talk page is as for you to do as you wish. See his panning Here David Lyons 11:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFC/discussion of article National Union of General Workers

A request for comments has been filed about the use of anonymous sources in reliable publications. The RFC can be found by the article's name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found on Talk:National_Union_of_General_Workers#Request_for_Comment_-_Use_of_anonymous_sources_in_reliable_publications in case you wish to participate. Thank you for your contributions. Sparkzilla 06:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Every Nation

Hello! Just wanted to let you know that everyone else involved in the Every Nation controversy has agreed to mediation. It would be appreciated if you would indicate your agreement or disagreement to the proposal, so that the mediation may begin or other dispute resolution may be sought. Thanks! Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, thought me agreement was obvious considering your vcf page involvement. BTW, is this now official mediation?Osakadan 06:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
No, entirely unofficial. The only real "official" mediation is through Medcom, which I'm not a member of. I'm just trying to make peace. As to obvious, I hate to presume on what anyone thinks, as that always turns into quite a mess if one is wrong! I've moved the page to Talk:Every Nation/mediation, if you'd like to get started there, please do! Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop by the mediation page that Seraphimblade created. Thanks. Thelma BowlenTalk 06:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)