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Contents 1 WPMILHIST Assessment 2 Links with possible use in expanding this article 3 January 2008 4 External Links

[edit] WPMILHIST Assessment

Wow. I'm surprised to see that so little has been done here so far. (I do not mean that a criticism of anyone in particular. Everyone's efforts, however small, are valuable.) Maybe I'll come back here and expand myself.... if someone else would like to, basically main thing that needs doing is to expand out the bullet-points into a set of proper paragraphs. LordAmeth 02:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I think there should be warning of the poor reprodution of the inside of the castle. It still gives me the creeps, when I think about it.--LordofHavoc 18:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that. I've put it in the history section in the entry about restoration. Also, I removed the "visitors should be aware" which is appropriate for a guidebook such as Wikitravel but less so for an encyclopedia. If you've visited many Japanese castles, you know that lots of others are also exterior replicas: among the most famous, Hiroshima, Kumamoto, and Odawara come to mind. The National Treasure-class examples, including faithful reconstructions like Matsuyama (if memory serves) as well as Himeji, Matsumoto, and Hikone, are few. Incidentally, as my knees grow older and my camera gear gets heavier, I appreciate the elevators! Fg2 00:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's better that way.

The reconstruction of Kumamoto castle isn't that bad at all, at least part of it is old. When I was living in Hiroshima I just tried to avoid the castle. --LordofHavoc 20:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links with possible use in expanding this article

1. Digitized images tell the story ....

• see text and photos at pp. 21-21

Just a quick note for later reference? --Ooperhoofd 17:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] January 2008

I stumbled on this article when looking up something else about OsakaJo and decided to source what I could. I think the article might be better served with prose rather than a straight timeline, what do you guys think? I just cleaned up the prose some, sourced what I could and removed a red wikilink. Travellingcari (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Do we really need a huge number of external links? I don't see what they're adding to the article and some appear to violate the guidelines. Thoughts? TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 16:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't looked at the external links for some time, but your question caused me to re-visit each of them. I have now re-ordered them so that the Wikitravel link is last.

• Satellite photo: castle and surrounds (Japanese)
• Satellite photo: castle and surrounds (GoogleMaps)
• Photograph of castle and surrounding city: perspective from nearby high-rise on hazy day
• Photographs of castle exterior: web advertisement -- crisp close-up images (Japanese)

• The Wikitravel article on Osaka has some more information

Reviewing them in reverse order, I assume that the Japanese web advertisement is what caught your attention. Although the guidelines discourage advertisements, I'd be inclined to accept this link until something better can be substituted. The photographs offer serial, close-up impression of the castle exterior. Even if we assume this link was put on this page for a commercial reason, I'd accept it -- not ideal, but there you have it. If your judgment persuades you that this link should be removed, I will not contest that decision

Your question caused me to check the edit history. This advertisement was added by an anonymous user, which doesn't bode well. Maybe this is one of those instances in which assuming good faith is an illustration of misplaced optimism:

• Revision as of 14:27, 29 October 2007 User:220.102.115.135

As for the others, I would be prepared to argue specifically for the continuing value each of them bring to this subject. Were you wanting me to explain more fully? --Tenmei (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that information, Tenmei. I guess I question whether we need the satellite photos since we have good images within the article? Do you think the satellite photos add anything? I don't but I know that's personal opionion. I think the re-ordering is good. I can read the Japanese, I just don't see any value added in it especially since it appears to be someone's personal website. It's a shame the official site is so 1998 because that's where I'd expect to find good photos. TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 18:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Satellite images --yes. For me, the visual context helps situate word-based material in memory; and I like the redundant satellite images because they are so very similar -- and yet not identical. As you may know, visual impressions activate a different part of the brain cortex than language-based stimuli. The consequence of an "image/language marriage" evolves as a welcome, but counter-intuitive effect -- the result becomes something like 2 + 2 = 5. The duplicative satellite images are a constructive redundancy, not a superfluous repetition. Please reconsider your opposition to these two links. As for that snapshot taken from a high-rise, would you want me to offer a defense of it as well? --Tenmei (talk) 18:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nah I happen to like the highrise one, it reminds me of why I love Osaka so much. I used to live in the neighborhood. You've provided good explanation for them. I don't necessarily agree, but you've explained with good reason why they should be there so I'm willing to agree to disagree. Thanks for your input :) TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 18:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of rearranging the external links and using more conventional labeling. I also removed one that was dead. I still don't see the need for so many links to satellite images, and the NASDA one, in particular, is of such low resolution, it appears to be of minimal use. I would suggest that it also be removed from the list. --DAJF (talk) 02:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the re-labeling is a good one for consistency. For further discussion on the satellite imagery issue(s) please see the question on my talk page and my response and the continued discussion on Tenmei's talk page. As I said there, I'm not convinced of the need for satellite imagery but s/he has made a good case for its benefits. That's part of why I brought the discussion here, to see input. Re: photos in general, and this may be my browser/resolution in which case I'll take comments of 'get a new computer and get into this century' ;) but the last photo with the caption "Osaka castle, overview perspective." doesn't appear aligned. Is that solely on my end? I don't do much with images so I'm not certain. TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 04:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)