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[edit] Sport

Gamba Osaka and Cerezo Osaka of Jleague, Hanshin Tigers and Orix Buffaloes of NPB


any others?

RIII 00:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese city article naming debate

Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). --Polaron | Talk 08:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

thats ok

[edit] Osaka from Azumanga Daioh

There should be a disambiguation page.

I'm sure the fans of the anime (including myself) can do what I did, and find her through the Azumanga Daioh page. Or, we could put a little For other meanings or usages of the term, see Osaka (disambig) at the top. LordAmeth 23:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the disambig earlier. Get real, an anime character on the top of the Osaka page? Let's try and keep some encyclopedic level here. Find her through the Azumanga Daioh page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mackan (talk • contribs) .
Please be civil. I've changed the disambig link to be generic, so please stop whining about this. The new link points to Osaka (disambiguation). This should be good enough for everyone. Also, I moved this section to the bottom of the page where it belongs (per general talk page rules). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
If you're gonna ask me to be civil, maybe you too should strive to be civil in your response ("stop whining"). But sure, the new solution works with me but still, I'd like to stress that putting an anime character's bleeding nickname on top of a page about Japan's second largest city shows all to well that Wikipedia's biggest problem isn't really the unsourced articles but how the site is ruled by geeks and their interests (in that I'm not saying that you are a geek). I mean, if her real name was Osaka then maybe we could have a debate on it (but don't forget German Wikipedia where articles on fictional characters are only allowed for exceptionally famous ones), but when it's the NICKNAME? Seriously. Mackan 17:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia doesn't differentiate between linking to a fictional character and anything else when they are both commonly known by the same name. That's the whole point of disambiguation links: to point people in the right direction, regardless of what the two articles are about, in cases where there may be some ambiguity. I would bet that most people who have watched or read Azumanga Daioh don't know Osaka's real name because she's given the nickname almost as soon as she appears in the series, and is never called by her real name after that. Even the teacher uses the nickname.
Again, this is what disambiguation links are for, and having one at the top of this article does not in any way diminish the article. If the disambiguation link doesn't interest you, skip over it. There's no reason at all to get so uptight about something so insignificant and unimportant as this. The policies on the German Wikipedia do not apply here, so they are irrelevant to this discussion. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
You don't have to tell me that the German rules don't apply here, geez. That doesn't mean they are irrelevant to the discussion, that's just arrogant, they're the second largest Wikipedia and even though we have different rules it can be interesting to see how other wiki's work. It doesn't really matter though so let's not waste more time by debating it any further. Mackan 20:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, please realise that you are biased about this subject when you refer to yourself as "moé" about anime and manga. I think most editors without such preferences would agree with me. Mackan 20:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll admit to liking Azumanga Daioh, but what I described above would apply to any disambiguation regardless of whether it had anything to do with anime or manga. If there are two subjects that are both commonly known by the same name, disambiguation is required regardless of whether you like or dislike one of the subjects. This discussion ultimately has nothing to do with either the city Osaka or the character commonly known as Osaka. The base argument here is whether or not two subjects that are commonly known by the same name should have a disambiguation link at the top of the main article on that topic. The answer to that is a resounding, "Yes." There is absolutely no bias in what I'm describing. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter, BUT! I think you are being pretty ridiculous. Let's say somebody puts up a disambig for the George W Bush article reading "For the anime character, George W Bush, See George W Bush (anime character)". Say you click that link, and what do you know, there is an anime character nicknamed George W Bush (real name of the character is deemed to hard to remember... becacuse it is in Japanese? Who knows). NOW can you seriously tell me that sounds like a good idea to you?? You don't think that disambig would be removed pretty quickly? SERIOUSLY! Nobody is perfect but you should admit your bias, and that your argumentation is wrong. Mackan 11:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
(9_9). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

please don't start a flame war on this, i see Ninhonjoe's point we need a disambig page, although isnt there a page in the anime/manga portal?--Lerdthenerd 08:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I live in Osaka and I don't even know what you all are talking about! Osaka is a city in Japan, that is that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.98.27.18 (talk) 01:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions for expansion/improvement

Hi, I was just looking at this page for Version 0.5. I noticed that it's assessed as a B-Class article yet I tagged it as only a Start, so I thought I should explain my reasoning:

  • The most serious problem is that many of the sections are mainly lists, with very little prose
  • There are no references, inline or otherwise.
  • The culture section is interesting, but not very encyclopedic. Compare New York City; New Yorkers are often described as rude, always in a hurry, and as people who will walk by while a crime is going on near them. None of that appears in the city article (maybe it should, a little?) - instead it focuses on things like the theatre, etc. If you can find some quotations from famous people saying "Osakans are ...." that would be great, otherwise it reads more like hearsay or opinion.
  • History is nice as far as it goes, but the teaser in the intro, "Osaka is the historical commercial capital of Japan and is still one of Japan's major industrial centers and ports" got me wanting to learn about that side of Osaka - it's not really covered, yet I know it's an important aspect of the city's history.

For an example of a Featured Article on another global city, see Detroit, Michigan or Mumbai. This is a global city which deserves a great article - I hope that the knowledgable people here can turn it into one. Thanks, Walkerma 05:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lists

Would the page be better served by having some of the larger lists as seperate pages with links?

eg

Osaka Attractions Major companies wards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Osakadan (talk • contribs) .

I think they are probably fine as is for the moment, unless you can create a substantial article based on the section. Breaking them off into stub articles wouldn't serve any real purpose, and would probably encourage people to suggest they be merged back into the main article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Companies in Osaka

This page is about Osaka city and Osaka prefecture has a seperate page. Some of the companies listed are registered in Osaka Prefecture and not Osaka City. Eg. Hankyu Railways is registered in Ikeda city (which has its own page) and technically should not be listed on the Osaka city page. One solution might be to move the whole section over to the Osaka Prefecture article, or to delete it all together and create a category of companies based in Osaka. Any comments? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Osakadan (talk • contribs) 08:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

In my opinion, a list of companies headquartered in the city has a place in the article on the city; a list of companies headquartered in the prefecture would be a more-selective list of the total of all those in the cities. So let's remove from the city article any company whose headquarters are outside the city. I think we did something similar with universities already. Categories are good too, but there should be a section in the article as well. Preferably in prose form. Fg2 09:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

Modifications are made to what looked like below previously:

>>Historical records seem to indicate that the Yamato people (the Japanese) first came upon the area, at the mouth of the Yodo River, in 663. They met resistance from the native people of the region and fought them for roughly five years, before enthroning their emperor at a site called Kashiwabara.

Naniwa was founded by Emperor Temmu in 683, in what is now Osaka's Hōenzaka-chō District.

In the seventh and eighth centuries, Naniwa served as the site of several emperors' pleasure palaces. The city also served as one of the primary ports, providing economic and cultural contact with T'ang Dynasty China. Naniwa ceased to be the capital in 745, when the Imperial Court moved to Shigaraki no Miya and then to Heijo-kyō (now Nara). It remained a lively port for some time but fell into decline by the 15th century.

– No much clue as to what sources indicates this -- notably the years and the event.

The followings may help: http://www.city.osaka.jp/city/history/history2.html http://bun-eido.co.jp/publish/culture/santo/naniwa.html

60s 08:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


- "In 1496, the Jōdo Shinshū Buddhist sect set up their headquarters in the heavily fortified Ishiyama Hongan-ji on top of the ruins of the old Naniwa imperial palace." Having visited both Osaka-Jo castle and Naniwa-no-Miya palace site (which currently exists only as concrete reconstruction of its foundation), this is probably not quite correct. The old Naniwa-No-Miya site is just outside the castle grounds, toward the south (you have to walk about five minutes and cross a busy road to get to it), in an otherwise empty field. So "on top of the hill right next to the ruins of the old Naniwa palace" would probably be more exact. This link shows a (small) picture of the site reconstruction with Osaka Castle just visible in the distance, toward the right. http://www.nomado1230.net/stuff/naniwanomiya.jpg See also this map showing the location of palace and castle on a page from Osaka's History Museum: http://www.mus-his.city.osaka.jp/english_iso-8859-1/access/index.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.211.103 (talk) 02:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Transport

I've not heared "proximity of ITM to the Kobe, and Kyoto city ". (refer to http://www.env.go.jp/air/report/) What is the material ?

galuboo , 01:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Neither entries have a reference, so neither is an definitive reason. To use Hanshin is confusing to most english speaking people,Kobe is more likely to be understood. I do understand why you think Kyoto should be deleted.Osakadan 11:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


I'm glad that you say "I do understand why you think Kyoto should be deleted.".
I'm afraid to misunderstand about the sense of distance. I understand you,Thank you.
galuboo 12:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I would say the second sentence should be removed, because:
1) the first sentence stands true in its own.
2) the latter part of the second sentence, "outweighs its noise restrictions" is controversial. I do not think that Wikipedia, as an Encyclopedia, has to take any side; it is a POV. The airport is there, with or without this statement. The environental issue is mentioned in the Osaka International Airport article, where is the right place to elaborate on this.


If the distance to major cities around is what really matters, then simply state, for example, in km or time to travel to the aiport. --OhMyDeer 11:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weather table mistakes

By my calculations, the average high temperature should be 27.7 degrees, not 36.4. The average temperature should be 17.9 degrees, not 16.5. The average low should be 9.8 degrees, rather than -0.2. And the rainfall amount listed under the Year column is a total, not an average. I'm changing the table to correct averages straight down (though I admit to being too lazy to do a weighted average by number of days), including rainfall. 218.225.111.205 03:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)