Talk:Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
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[edit] Title change
Can someone with the relevant rights change the title of this article from "Albanian Orthodox Church" to "Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania" and make the old title redirect here?
I just saw an interview of Anastasios on TV where he corrected the journalist (Anna Panagiotarea) who called the Church as "Albanian Orthodox Church" saying there is a difference and the Church should be called "Church of Albania" instead of "Albanian Church".
[edit] Language
Also the use of the (Greek) language in the rituals has been seen as a threat to Albanian ethnic identity by Albanian nationalists.
The above part of the text is either a hardline Greek nationalistic statement, or some misunderstanding. There is a tradition of many centuries that Christian Orthodox Churches use the language of the local people. For example the Russian Orthodox Church uses Russian language, the Serbian Orthodox Church uses Serbian languages, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church uses Bulgarian language, etc. So the most natural thing is that all Albanians would want to have the service in Albanian. People that want such natural and self understanding things shall not be called nationalists. I cannot imagine how Orthodox Christians in Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Armenia, etc. would like to listen to Greek language instead to their own, even in one single church. Should we call them nationalists too? SS
- I am afraid you are jumping to the wrong conclusions. Greek is only used during worship in Albania, in places where the local church membership is comprised predominantly by ethnic Greeks (there are many such cities and villages in the south of Albania). And even then, the greek language is not used on its own but in conjunction with Albanian. But there exist some ethnic Albanian hardliners who object even to this! Perhaps the article should be reworded to explain this situation better. Contributor175 15:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it definitely needs to be reworded, since most parishes in Albania do not use Greek in their services, but use Albanian. It might have been a problem before the Second World War, but it has not been an obstacle to the revival of the church. A very few parishes in the south, near the Greek border, use Greek, and one or two use Aromanian (Vlach), but most use Albanian. Mëshiro o Zot! SteveH 14:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I have edited the article and added some new material. It still needs a lot of work, however. I will try to persuade Fr Luke Veronis, who was a missionary in Albania for many years, to take a look at it. SteveH 15:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above is nonsense. "There is a tradition of many centuries that Christian Orthodox Churches use the language of the local people", LOL. The Arab Orthodox Churches such as the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch use and always have used Greek in their worship (although I think that in recent years some Arabic has been introduced into the liturgy). You also mention Russia, Serbia and Bulgaria. Well, I bet it'll come to no surprise to you that they don't use the vernacular either but use Church Slavonic which is incomprehensible to modern Slavs.--Ploutarchos 07:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Date of Autocephaly
This article is not correct; the Albanian Orthodox Autocephalous Church was established in 1922, not in 1937. It might have been recognized in 1937 but that doesn't mean that is when it was founded (sort of like saying that the US was founded when the British recognized it!)
[edit] Missiologist?
Archbishop Anastasios was the greatest Orthodox missiologist of his time...
Does anyone know if this is a real word? I for one,have never heard it before and I couldn't find it in either of the two dictionaries i searched.I think it must be some sort of vandalism but i thought i'd ask first...--Padem 22:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Church of Saranda
Sorry but Saranda dows not infact have a Greek majority:
Here is a recent map of the ethnicities of Albania from T.J. Winnifrith book 'BadLands-Borderlands: A history of southern Albania/Northern Epirus
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Of this issue, journalist for the ShqiptareOrthodox/AlbanianOrthodox Foti Cici writes in his article Gjuha dhe simbolet/Language and Symbolism:
| “ | shqiptarët ortodoksë të Sarandës, të cilët janë të detyruar të ndjekin shërbesat në greqishte, në një kishë madhështore të ndërtuar me investimet e Bankës së Greqisë. Shumë prej shqiptarëve janë larguar nga kisha, si e vetmja formë reagimi ndaj situatës së sotme ndërkonfliktuale. | ” |
translation:
| “ | The Albanian Orthodox of Saranda, of which are forced to follow liturgy in Greek, of a cathedral built by the investment of the Bank of Greece. Many of the Albanians have distanced themselves from this church, the only form of settlement to situation under conflict today. | ” |
This article is the source for the comment that in Saranda, liturgy in Albanian is not allowed in the main church of the city. Not in the city itself, just in that particular church. Which happens to be the biggest one in the city.
I apologize for the awkwardness of the post, I have not yet adjusted to wiki.
Tpilkati 22:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- As far as I know, that church was paid for by Greeks in Greece for the Greek minority in Albania and they are allowing the Albanians to use and hear the liturgy in the same way their ancestors have done for centuries (in Greek language). Beggars can't be choosers, if Albanian nationalists (most of whom are not even Orthodox) want to have their own language in every church church, they should pay for them themselves.--Ploutarchos 07:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Numbers
What is the real number of Orthodox Christians in Albania now, given the fact that abb half of this community emigrated after 1990? Can anyone supply some data about that? Thank you.
[edit] need more pics
Please,anyone, upload some pictures so we can use them on here.Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 11:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested move
User:Taulant23 has suggested moving this page to Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania. Any objections? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think the move was pointless. "Albanian Orthodox Church" is shorter, much more common (in Google results at least), and matches Bulgarian Orthodox Church, Polish Orthodox Church, Romanian Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian Orthodox Church... I understand that nevertheless the current title may be the full official name and since I'm unaware of any possible POV connotations either title could possibly have (power struggle between Orthodox Christianity and Islam for Albanian national religion status maybe?), I'd suggest moving it back.--Dexippus (talk) 15:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
