Talk:Origins of the Kingdom of Alba

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"Germanic-speaking subjects of the Scottish king" - germanic is a too loose term, what does it mean? Norse speaking people, germans, dutch og perhaps english? --85.165.109.247 15:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Essentially it means English. However, it may include Flemings. When Fordun talks about language in later 14th century Scotland, he lists "Scottish" (i.e. Gaelic) and "Teutonic"; maybe he doesn't want to call Scottish English "English", and he can't call it Scottish, because that then meant Gaelic, so maybe that's why; or maybe he was grouping English, Flemish and Norse. Who knows. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goths, Gaels and Celts..

This has really come up as a side issue in some study I'm doing, but the bonkers Mr Pinkerton is described in William Ferguson's The Identity of the Scottish Nation as having more basis for his racist fantasies than the article admits. Bede identified the Picts with "Scythians" from Scandinavia (not to be confused with Scythians), the Goths may have originated there, so several 18th century historians had these sort of ideas. Pinkerton had begun as an enthusiast for the "Celtic" fantasies of the time before turning against the dodgy scholarship and being even more dubious, indeed fraudulent, in promoting his ideas. The odd irony is that the Keltoi seem to have been from around south Germany and the Danube, and application of their name to the native Britons / Pretani apparently began with Edward Lhuyd in 1707. An interesting guddle not well covered yet in Wikipedia, as far as I've found so far... And by the way, Ferguson makes some mentions of "Teutonism" in the context, rather than Germanic, though in one quote Pinkerton praises "the German". ..dave souza, talk 23:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC) retract a bit.. dave souza, talk 20:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)