Talk:Origin of the name Khuzestan
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Good lord, where did this article come from? john k 07:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's an outgrowth of extensive arguments at Khuzestan and Ahvaz and Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. See the arguments on the talk pages there.
I have written an article, History of Khuzestan, which I need to correct, as it was based on online sources which proved to be erroneous. I ordered an unpublished dissertation re the history of Khuzestan and it knocked a number of my statements down like nine-pins.
From my POV, the editors Southern Comfort and Zereshk are fighting the Iran-Iraq war all over again and have cast me as Saddam Hussein. Any edits I make to the first three articles are instantly reverted, and I am not allowed to link History of Khuzestan to any of the three articles.
Even after I found sources I trusted for an early use of Khuzestan/Khuzistan, Zereshk had invested so much energy in proving my earlier doubts wrong that he decided to put it all in this article. IMHO, he is extremely resistant to any editing, or to removal of any of his quotes. But perhaps it's just that I've pissed him off so thoroughly that it's ME who's not allowed to touch his prose. You can try editing and see what happens.
Sheikh Jabir wasn't one of the Bani Ka'b, I find from the unpublished dissertation. He was from a rival group.
Nor do I find any references anywhere that would support the statement that there were no significant numbers of Arabs in the province until the 15th-16th centuries. I would say that it is more likely that there had been a slow but steady arabization ever since the Arab conquest in the late 630s. Mustafaa agrees. But we don't have any proof, since this is social, rather than political history, and older historians paid little attention to social history. It would take a combination of sustained archaeological work and dedicated digging in the archives to get info, and this is NOT the kind of research the current Iranian government would allow, I should think. Seems to me that the most sensible thing would be to say that the population of the area tipped from Elamo-Persian to majority Arab over the centuries, but when and how are not clear.
You may want to read the Ahvaz/Khuzestan/Ethnic politics of Khuzestan talk pages if you like melodrama <g>. Zora 07:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The entire article has only one quote.
- For people who find the existence of this article strange, please see the similar Origin of the name California.--Zereshk 09:49, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
