Talk:Origin of Jat people
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The wild over-statements of the recent additions (eg. "Most Western scholars . . . believe that the Jats are Indo-Scythians from Central Asia" (when many of their statements are carefully qualified) is reason enough for this whole mess to be revised carefully by someone with knowledge of how to use scholarly sources responsibly. Please see the Archives for further reasons for my adding tags to the article today.John Hill (talk) 08:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, Well we can replace "Most Western scholars" for "Some Scholars". However, it is a fact that most academics view Jats as Indo-Scythians NOT Indo-Aryans as some have been pushing.--Trv93 (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Dear Trv93: Thanks for changing the statement "Most Western scholars" to "Some Scholars" - it reads much better now. I still think this page would be improved if it just included a brief summary of the various theories and a clear statement that our knowledge is still very limited and that Jats, like other human groups, are undoubtedly of mixed ancestry, although DNA studies may well show a closer affinity with some groups than others. "Scythians," too, were made up of various ethnic groupings. I am especially uneasy about the term "Indo-Scythian" as it was never used by any group to describe themselves but was, rather, created by scholars and has led to much confusion. For example, the Kushans have often been called "Indo-Scythians" but there is no real proof as to what their ancestry was - they may not have been "Scythians" at all. This is still a subject of intense debate among modern writers. Many scholars now feel that the Yuezhi may have been, like their neighbours, the Xiongnu, a confederation of various tribes of both "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid" heritage and possibly containing more than one language group. It is also not clear whether the Kushans were primarily descended from the Yuezhi or from peoples who were already in the region of northern Afghanistan when the Yuezhi invaded in the 2nd century BCE. So, to work out the origins of the Jats is likely to be a very difficult and complex job, and it will be particularly difficult to do it fairly and without upsetting too many people. I wish you the very best of luck with improving the article. I do look forward to a much better and more balanced presentation. Thank you for attempting this important work. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 10:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks for your kind words
Hi, thanks for your kind words. I've improved the article, added cites and hopefully we can one day get this article to Wikipedia:Featured articles standard. Yes I agree with you Jat people are an ethnic group of mixed genetic components, the two biggest being Scythian and Aryan. However, hopefully with the invention of DNA analysis scientists can solve the question once and for all. The real question is "what mixture of genetics Jat people are?" 70% Scythian + 30% Aryan or 70% Aryan and 30% Scythian. Which component is the dominant (major/minor) ancestral genetic component? On the Scythian people I agree there were many Scythian sub-tribes just like in Germany there were many Germanic tribes in the German people. Hopefully, in the next 10 years with the DNA studies, which are planned over the next 10 years, this question will be solved once and for all and we can then move onto a new question. Stay well, Best regards.--Trv93 (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Well the topic is really confusing. Did not add an inch to my knowledge! The majority of historians stated here arrived in india thousands of years after jats. And there is not a single jat defining from where he descends!!! actually talking about DNA, the closest these people came was to turks. the dna of people in turkey and that of people in punjab matched a lot. there is also a tradition, i forgot where i read it, that these people were soldiers of fallen roman armies that migrated looking for lands after fall of rome. but looking at the picture, looks like majority are starving to death! wonder what their womenfolk look like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.161.10 (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
while going through the article, i came across a name ,Khushwant Singh. His book a history of sikhs, published in 1963. he wrote in the preface that the sikhs would be extinct by end of 20th century. he wrote another book with a similar title with changed comments but same implied meaning. its 2008 and he is alive and there are hell lot of sikhs on the planet. I mean this historian cannot gauge fifty years future and he is expected to tell us the past. People, you could have chosen a better historian!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.161.10 (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
