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Discussion on the merge copied here for easier reference.--NHSavage 19:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Merge

  • Support - the articles are unsourced and with POV. A combined, cleaned up article is the way to go. I suggest calling it College fresher events. BlueValour 22:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • As it stands we have 3 seperate pages and none of them really has enough content. If this was a long article it would be fine to have a spereate page for each. As it stands it is pointless. I would propose we create a single page (name to be argued over) which covers the first week of the University year in general. It should have seperate sections for different countries. Then Frosh, Orientation week and Freshers' Week (my preferred term) should all redirect to that page. Ideally the page should have a neutral title but I can only think of First week of university year which is a bit long or University induction week. Oh and BTW although this Wikipedia is in the English langauge that does not mean it should have an excessive focus on English speaking countries.--NHSavage 22:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
For a draft of the merged article see: User:NHSavage/University Induction. Please feel free to edit this and use to make a merged article or ignore as you see fit. we have to decide whether to use the term college or university for starters. (my preference is for university as i think college is quite US centric).--NHSavage 22:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, I am happy with University. BlueValour 23:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I support the merge, but do not agree with the term "University Induction Week". Wikipedia:Naming_conventions (events) states that the most common name is used even if it presents a Point of View (this is similar to naming conventions for other things, such as the use of Germany over Deutschland.). This is to aid search engines. This is probably bad research, but "Orientation Week" gives the most amount of ghits out of the three (I think Frosh Week is starting to fall out of favor in North America, and Orientation Week is used with Frosh Week), so Orientation Week should be used. However, this does not mean that Orientation Week-style events in countries other than those already in the three articles should not have a section (this solves the systemic bias implications) ColourBurst 23:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
This seems fair enough. Its not that critical as long as the redirects are in place.--NHSavage 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • College is very US-centric, since it means completely different things in other countries. I've taken the liberty of reorganising the draft page a bit - arranging the countries in alphabetical order, removing a few unnecessary subheadings, and extending the New Zealand section a little (something I've been meaning to do for a while). It looks good, though I'm still not entirely convinced - it wouldn't take much work to extend orientation week out to a pretty big article. It may be better to merge them with redirects for now, though - the separate country sections can always be split out later if it gets too cumbersome. BTW - "induction" should probably have a lower case "i" in the title. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Also, the United States section now has to be split up because it mentions things specific to Canada. ColourBurst 23:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
    • True. I added the header for Canada but don't know much about what would go under which of the two countries' headers (unlike Australia and NZ). Grutness...wha? 01:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The re-organisation looks good. I think we should proceed with the merge quickly and then imporve the article further.--NHSavage 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
We need to agree on a title - are you OK with Orientation week and should it be Week or week ? BlueValour 00:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
FWIW it's usually with a lower case "w" in New Zealand and (I think) in Australia. I'm certainly happy enough with that title - is it an understood term in the US and UK? Grutness...wha? 03:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This is the problem, in the UK it is a term that would never be used - Freshers or Induction are the terms used here. But if it is used in the US and Oz I'm prepared to live with it. BlueValour 03:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It has been used in Canada (not sure about the U.S., but I'd imagine it's the same). Both Frosh week and Orientation week are used. ColourBurst 06:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like Orientation week is a reasonable choice then, and as long as there are redirects from the other names it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Grutness...wha? 07:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
So you're just going to ignore Britain altogether? Induction week should make sense to everyone - probably even some of the more intelligent Americans. 130.246.132.26 13:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
More people use "Orientation week" than "Induction week". Using induction week despite this is contradictory to WP:MOS, the Wikipedia style guide. There have been many debates on this, and the answer is always "the most used name is used for the title", even if it carries POV implications. You want to complain, go to the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). ColourBurst 15:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I have carried out the Merge - help in tracking down double redirects welcome! BlueValour 18:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Great! I'll delete my subpage now.--NHSavage 19:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Added back some bits that got lost along the way and I think I've got all the double redirects.NHSavage 20:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temporary protection request

This page needs temporary protection of some kind until pro-Canadian event vandals die down. Anyone know how to request it?--ZayZayEM 06:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian section

This is not official. It's a polite request.

Please discuss any modifications to the Canadian section here. Repeated isnertion of unsourced, NPOV and informal material makes this a sensible approach. Please keep in mind WP:RS, WP:NPOV and WP:TONE. Thanks. This is not official andyou can totally ignore it.--ZayZayEM 06:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Two questions

1. Where exactly in the States is it referred to as Frosh week as I've never heard of it being called that outside of Canada?
2. The legal drinking age in Manitoba and Alberta is 18. Therefore in addition to Quebec, would drinking also be part of frosh week there (officially)? Canking 17:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


1. Doonesbury@Slate - Daily Dose or is that Canadian ? I guess 'Trudeau' might have French origins, but the content is located at MIT. Hey, I'm British - what do I know ? I came here specifically to find what 'frosh' meant. --195.137.93.171 (talk) 11:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frosh: Not widely used in Canada?

I'm at the University of Waterloo, and "Frosh week" is used way more than "Orientation week", and "Frosh" over "First years", at least on an informal basis. From what I gather from my friends, it's basically the same at most south-Ontario schools. So is there anything to justify the statement that "Frosh" is not widely used in Canada? If it isn't, where isn't it? Endasil (talk) 16:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pure conjecture and unfounded... we have freshmen too.

Removed "the term freshman is not used" as this is not even true.Cplbeaudoin 21:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)