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1 Ori technology vs. Ancient technology
2 Ancient Communication Device
3 Shields section
4 Image
5 Colour of the shields
6 Prior staff based shields
7 Ori Fighters
8 Ori soldiers
9 Battlecruiser shape
10 Ori Rings
11 Fair use rationale for Image:Ori fighter and ring platform (Line in the Sand).jpg
12 Fair use rationale for Image:Ori shield takes collision.jpg
13 Fair use rationale for Image:Ori.satellite.shield.png
14 Fair use rationale for Image:Oriship.jpg

[edit] Ori technology vs. Ancient technology

The article claims the Ori's technology is as advanced as the Ascended Ancients and I'm not sure I agree with that. The ancients weren't ascended when they built their technology - they may have been able to willfully ascend when they built it, but being able to willfully ascend and being ascended are two quite different things. Adria states that she is as close to being an ascended being without actually being one and that, despite that, she still doesn't know as much as the ascended beings she represents does. I think the same would hold true for the pre-ascended ancient technology vs. the ascended ori technology - that former would simply be inferior to the latter just because the latter knows everything whereas the former just happens to know a lot more than most. TerraFrost 09:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you however everyone asumes that because the Ori are ascended they use that knowledge to further there technology, that would be interferance. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 14:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In truth, both the Ori and Ancients should have equal technology capabilities, since they're both ascended. However, most all Ancient tech has been built by the Ancients and found by other races, while the Ori technology we've seen is presumably built from knowledge given to lesser races, such as the Battlecruisers being built by normal villagers, possibly giving it limitations.

[edit] Ancient Communication Device

Since it was used by the Ancients and the Ori to communicate with each other, should it get a mention or comparable listing in Ori technology? Much of their technology is the same, and in this case it is exactly the same, it belongs to both of them.

09:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shields section

Is the shield section only referring to the shield we saw in Beachhead, or is it also the shields that are on the Ori ships. If it is the latter then we can expand the article quite a bit after Flesh and Blood, I even have a picture of the Ha'tak colliding with the shields here. Konman72 10:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the shields of the Ori Battleships, it is stated in the article that the Ancient drone weapons would be unable to penetrate their shields. However in the recent SG1 episode "the road not taken" (S10 E13) in the alternate universe that Carter is transported to it appears that earth was able to fight off one Ori battlecruiser with the help of the Ancient chair. This would indicate that the Ancient drones are somewhat effective against Ori shields, albeit draining a huge amount of energy from the ZPM in doing so.

[edit] Image

Why did you change the image? The one that is there now is so far back you can't even see the fighters. Konman72 20:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colour of the shields

It has never been stated that the colour of the shields has anything to do with their strength, so it's pure speculation. Why is it even on this page then? Maartentje 11:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It has never been stated but shown several times.

Goa'uld shields are orange and are weaker than blue Asgard shields, and Ori shields seem to be near-perfect, the energy weapons on ships are the same way. How else would Asgard ships be able to beat Ha'taks at every turn (prior to Anubis's return)? Their weapons and shields were stronger, the color-coded argument has weight here despite the fact that it was never mentioned onscreen. The red shields seem to be able to stop knives/arrows from coming through which is a contradiction of the color cycle, this is the only evidence against it, system lord shields, being yellow also allow slow moving objects through. I'd say there is a pretty good chance this is true but since it was never given in dialogue, it can't be proven. Why else would the Ori pulse cannons on their ships (secondary weapons) be able to destroy a Ha'tak after a few shots? I doubt it's a power generation issue but it's possible. Goa'uld use Naqahdah generators, Asgard use Neutrino Ion generators and the Ori seem to use zero point energy (ZPM-type power), Earth ships use Asgard shields with Naqahdah generators which renders them around 25% as useful as they would be with a ZPM or an Ion generator (long story, if you like, I'll explain in more detail later) but they seem to do better than Ha'taks from weapons fire (The battle at the end of "Camelot" proves this) thus, shield color seems likely to demonstrate strength.

Faris b 22:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Maartentje on this issue. PS: Orions shields in NML where Orange ;)! thanks/MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 22:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I know that, but maybe it was an older ship that still used the old shields or something, I mean, they must have started with orange and moved up to blue/green like Atlntis's is.

Faris b 01:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Please dont start speculating; It is pure speculation that colour has anything to do with how powerful a shield is. thanks/MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 07:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I like to think outside the box on matters like this. I'm sure you noticed I have a tendency to do this.

Faris b 08:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prior staff based shields

I don't think that those are shields, at least not in that sense, I thought the prior's ability to be shielded was due to their mental powers, much like how Khalek was able to stop bullets from hitting himself when he was escaping from the SGC, not due to a shield generator inside the staff.

Faris b 18:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that Khalek was utilizing telekinesis to deflect the bullets - not shielding. I mean, if he were using shielding, why it would matter whether or not he had seen Daniel Jacksons bullet?

Also, although I do think that a Prior's abilities are certainly critical to the creation of their personal shields, it seems to me that the staff plays a somewhat critical role. ie. it probably contains technology that can only be utilized by a telekinetic with sufficient training or someone with the proper gene sequence. Of course, that's just speculation on my part, too... TerraFrost 00:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I meant, the prior's shields against bullets and such is just from their powers, not an actual shield, and I always thought the staff was for show, not actual technology demonstrated by Khalek, it seems that people are under the impression that the staff is a form of technology.

Faris b 03:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think telekinesis and shielding are the same thing, though. Telekinesis is basically the ability to move things with mass with your mind. Bullets have mass. Do energy weapons have mass?

Also, telekinesis, it seems, requires conscious intervention. You have to know about something to stop it. Khalek stopped the bullets he saw comming at him but was unable to stop the bullet that he didn't see comming. Do the Ori shields strike you as something that would cease to work if you shot them from behind?

With regard to the staffs... I think the staff is a form of technology. The Prior's can do a heck of a lot more than Khalek could and the reason would seem to be because of the staffs. TerraFrost 05:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, remember the prior in "Fourth Horseman"? After he [prior] overcame the anti prior field, he was shot in the back which illustrates my point. Well, maybe. But I suspect the staff is merely an amplifier, not the source of some or most of their powers.

Faris b 19:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The Prior in "Fourth Horseman" didn't have a staff, though, which would explain why the protection that he did have didn't cut it. That said, the one other time we did see a Prior stopping bullets, it did look more like it was telekinesis and not a shield, since the bullets didn't hit anything so much as they stopped. Contrast this, however, with the staff weapon blasts that the Prior "stopped" in the episode "Beachhead". It looked as though those were stopped by something. A shield. A shield that might very well protect against bullets, were a Prior to try. TerraFrost 16:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's pretty much only the telekenesis stopping the bullets, perhaps the staff shield is only required for energy weapons but for bullets and knives and everything else it's easier to use the former option rather than the latter.

Faris b 19:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ori Fighters

Are they powerd by an Ori verson of a ZPM or are they powerd by another means? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.43.28.126 (talk) 21:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

No knowledge on their power source (I haven't even gotten a good look at them yet). But I have been wondering. They are extremely thing. Is it possible they were designed to fit through a Stargate like the Puddle Jumpers? -- SFH 03:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ori soldiers

why don't the ori soldiers have the kull warriors style armour?

because the heroes have to be able to kill them off course... (dont tell anyone, but i suppose the good guys are going to win the war eventually, otherwise it would be bad television) Maartentje 17:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Or...Anubis got the idea of their armor from the Ori. -- SFH 17:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battlecruiser shape

Does anyone else see the similarity between the Bentusi Exchange ships and Ori battlecruisers? I am not saying that the SG-1 creators "borrowed" it from Homeworld; just thought I'd mention it. Chronolegion 13:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ori Rings

Anyone happen to have a really good picture showing the engravings on the outside of the Ori rings (preferably as they are being lit up)? It'd be worth mentioning but a picture would be nice to accompany it. TheDevilYouKnow 21:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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