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[edit] Name Change

Whoever renamed this page misspelled it, cruiser is spelled UISER not USIER. I would rename it myself, but I get nervous when making big changes like that, not mention I have been known to be wrong on cases like this before. Grizzwald 01:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I checked via google for the two spellings, and you seem correct. I've made the change, and fixed two double redirects that showed up. Thanks for mentioning it. Good luck on your work in Wikipedia! JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, why was the name changed, AGAIN? I don't think we need to make this difficult, so can we just leave the name alone? Having a capital B in Battlecruiser, as far as I am aware, isn't grammitcally incorrect. Grizzwald 23:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
They refer to the Ori ships as "Starcraft" in the episode Crusade. I think that sounds a bit more fitting.

Anyway, I think you shoud check out http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Download.html1.html, this is the site of the guy who renders the ships for the show and he calls them "Ori Motherships", I would rename the article now but I don't want any conflicts, since this is from the guy who rendered them, should the page be renamed?

Faris b 04:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

the ship was never called an "ori mothership" on screen, so i don't think we should rename the page at this time. it's been changed enough for the moment Maartentje 16:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This again? Well, it was never called a "battlecruiser" onscreen either, just an Ori ship. Anyway, if you are going by what it was called onscreen, why isn't it called an "Ori Starcraft"? then?

Faris b 19:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's very much called an "Ori mothership" in "Unending", I'm going to be bold and correct the name now. Matthew 17:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

YES! Thank you very much Matthew for renaming the page and confirming that I was correct!!

Vala M 21:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I just realised.. your FarisB.. :-o, I wondered where Faris had gone :-P. Matthew 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aurora

I reverted this because the truth is, we just don't know the capabilities of an Aurora BB. The sentense was just a bit to speculative. American Patriot 1776 19:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Staff Design

I believe that the similarities between the ship design and the design on the Priors' staffs is not as close as is claimed in the article. I admit that there is a resemblence, but a distant one. Now I don't want to go changing it because the fact may be that the corolation between the two is correct, but I would like to hear other people's input on the subject. Grizzwald 23:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I may be blind, but I don't see it. Maybe it does have something to do with it, but I dunno. Maybe just putting in a distance resmblance sentense and not elaborate? Also remember, we only have 2 episodes of knowledge on the subject and don't know a majority of the info on it. Let's not expect details until season 10... July seems so far away... ;) American Patriot 1776 00:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree. There is very little smilarity. One is a staff, the other is a spaceship. Mabe they have the same symbol on them but that doesn't mean anything. I can see where you might think that it looks like the top of the staff, but it really doesn't. Tobyk777 00:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


if you go to this sight you get a good shot of the staff. on the side of the top of the staff there is a circular silver object around a jewel that is the part of the staff that is similar to the ships. http://wiki.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/index.php/Ori

Yes it is similar in the respect of the purple symbol surounded by the gold design, but that's the extent of it. The design of the gold is not the same as the ships since it closes as a circle and then has a tail, whereas the ship does not. The ship curves far behind the circular device and forms an oval. I will say this however, on closer inspection, that symbol is very repetitious in the teachings of Origin. Not only is it on the Prior's Staff but also on their robes and on the book of Origin, so there may be a closer relation than we initially thought. Grizzwald 01:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noah's Ark

Where did the Noah's ark come from. The episode never even mentioned Noah's ark. Not to mention that it looks nothing like the Ark. The ark didn't have a big ring in the middle!. This should be deleted as well as the staff comment. (See above) Tobyk777 00:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. When I saw the construction of the ships I just got the thought of the Ark in my head, I thought they looked like it. If you don't like it change it, I don't mind, lol. As for the constuction of the ships, I took a screen shot of the episode Crusade where the ships where being built, but I have no idea on how to upload the picture to Wikipedia or the rules behind it. If people would like to have this image on here, put a message here or on my talk page to tell me how to do this. Grizzwald 01:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Special:Upload is the place you want then. American Patriot 1776 18:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explain

The weapon of this ship is less powerful than that of the Ori Sattelite weapon (that destroyed the Prometheus) as evidenced by the fact that the Daedalus-class battlecruisers were able to survive several direct hits with their Asgard-enhanced shields, while the Prometheus was not. This could be explained by the fact that the Daedalus class has better shields than the Prometheus as unlike the latter it was designed to have Asgard shields from the start instead of having them tacked on as an afterthought

Can someone explain to me what this actully means as I am totally lost in words. I feel really stupid... American Patriot 1776 20:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

the prometheus was easyly destroyed by the ori sattellite and the deadelus was not as quick to be destroyed by the Ori Battlecruiser. That means that either the daedalus had better sheilds or the Ori ships had less powerfull weapons. Now i beleave that the BC-02 crusers (daedalus)are more powerfull remember the episode where the lady died they were reveiwing the plans talked bout the weapons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.111.237.8 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Ship scales in Camelot

I don't know if anybody here noticed or not, but the ship models in the CGI shots, along with the supergate were completly off. In the episode Beachhead Carter states the supergate is 300-400 meters in diameter. The shots of Odyssey and the Korolev scale with the super gate being that size, but the Ha'tak and the Asgard O'Neill class ships are WAY off. A Hatak is, roughly, 700-1000 meters in diameter, depending on which season you're watching. However, in Camelot, they're shown to be about 300 meters in diameter (roughly the same as the length of a Daedalus class cruiser). An Asgard O'Neill class ship is, roughly, 750-800 meters in length, but in Camelot, it's shown to be about 200-250 meters in length, which is smaller than the Odyssey.

The Supergate "link" size is also messed up. In Beachhead the links were supposed to be about 10 meters in length. The link that Carter beams to is more like 100 meters in length. So, if these links are supposed to be from the Ori galaxy, and they traveled here through the stargate, then how could links that are 100 meters in length fit through the gate? Ah, they can't!

There are a few key CGI scenes that show how badly the scales are represented; for example, right after Colonel Emerson calls for attack, there's a panning shot that starts from the front of the Korolev and pans around to the side. In that shot, the Daedalus class ships, the Ha'tak and the O'Neill class ships are all scaled almost evenly, and you can tell because of the way the camera pans in the shot.

I know some might argue that the Asgard ship wasn't an O'Neill because it's so much smaller, but that's no explanation. The Ha'taks are messed up too. The CGI guys totally dropped the ball on this episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarnin (talk • contribs)

[edit] Inacuracy: Asgard Ship Holding it's own??

The Asgrad ship was obliterated. There was no damagae to the ori ships whatsoever. Granted it surived longer, but it did not hold it's own. Tobyk777 05:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is developing too fast knowing that the ship only appeared in two episodes. So much of it are pure speculations and I am removing them regularly. I am sure there will be a plenty of new info in the season 10 but let's just wait until then with it. I removed the Asgard part and discussion about effectiveness of drone weapons. --Tone 08:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no proof that the asguard ship was destroyed, you cannot see it much at all in the scene --86.142.158.117 20:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

True, but it's a likely assumption being that it would have been the most likely ship to survive and seeing it nowhere in sight with Kvasir onboard the Odyssey suggests it was destroyed.

--Faris b 21:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drones

I thought that it was stated that drones could destroy an Ori ship because in "Misbegotten" it was speculated that the reason they haven't targeted Earth was because of the drones.

--Faris b 18:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

They said it was possible that they could be destroyed by drones. American Patriot 1776 16:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know but isn't that further proof that they would work is why the Ori did not target Earth? I mean the Ori targeted Chulak because it was the start of the Jaffa rebellion and since Earth is a major player against the Ori, shouldn't it have been targeted next? It seems they chose other backwater planets to start taking instead which kind of proves my point somewhat.

--Faris b 18:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Their worried about the drones, but once they get more ships... they're biding their time. American Patriot 1776 22:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should have just faced up to the fact that this is a TV show, and attacking earth would have ruined the shows plot...even if they had survived all that meant is that no longer had any form of major threat, eliminating all real risk from the Ori, and once again ruining the plot...

[edit] Rings

In S10 ep1, Daniel rings himself aboard the Ori ship. However, i am doubtful that an 'Ori Battlecruiser' would have a set of rings to recieve the signal. Any Thoughts? --Ross 21:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Well...obviously they have them ;) (remember, they were shown to use them in Avalon) Konman72 22:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Why not? Sure, it's a security risk but the Ori didn't necessarily know that the rings are commonplace in the Milky Way so maybe they thought that they weren't used therefore they would be the only ones with rings or something.

What I hate is that we've never seen an Ori stargate yet.

--Faris b 22:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes we have. In the episode "Origin" tons of ascended Ori were shown. Tobyk777 22:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
But did we see an Ori stargate? I don't remember seeing one, just the rings transporters. Oh, and (to the original editor), rings aren't programmed to receive certain signals, they are kind of like CB radios, they just receive whatever signal is near them, in this case the MW rings on the Korolev. Konman72 22:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, but my point was that we never got to see an Ori stargate, does anyone think we will in season 10? It seems the gates are ultra restricted, possibly only 1 Ori planet has one; considering the fact that the Priors go to different planets from Celestis via the rings, this was shown in "Origin, pt. 3", I have no idea how they got rings to work between planets because it shouldn't. I'm guessing only Celestis or some other planet has a gate because in "Crusade", Vala said she was trying to get intel on an Ori stargate to get back to the Milky Way which was unsuccessful. So can we assume that there are only a handful of Ori gates or something like that? The villagers don't seem to know about them at all. They must have at least 1 extra one that they use for the creation of the micro black holes that are used for supergates.

--Faris b 22:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that I misunderstood your comment. My reponse didn't make sense. But in reponse to the above: Nothing about Ori gates was ever stated. Vala simply could not have been allowed to go. The Ori need at least a few to send Priors through and to use to create supergates. Tobyk777 23:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power source?

So what exactly is the power source? It seems to be something inside that orb in that power room but what is it? Zero Point energy? (IE: a Zero Point module energy output/a functioning Project Arcturus) or what? It would have to be ZPE because of it's size and strength.

Faris b 20:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Most likely some form of Ori ZPM, and not Arcturus, since that project creates particles with unpredictable properties that cannot be contained, since they have a nasty habit of not obeying any laws of physics.

--Edgjerp 15:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that, the containment chamber looks really close to it, but they were able to solve the Arcturus problem by shiftin the exotic particles to another universe, who's to say the Ori couldn't do the same? Plus, I doubt they'd care if the other universe was inhabited or not.

Faris b 18:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, we know that beam weapons as powerful as the one on the Dorandan homeworld require something like Project Arcturus (with a far greater energy output than a ZPM), so it's reasonable to assume that the Ori's huge energy cannon and the smaller energy pulse weapons require something similar... And Faris has a point about the Ori not caring about another universe. Maartentje 18:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The Ori in the other Universes might care. Unless, of course, the Ori have some sort of cross-universe treaty with other Ori, or unless accension transcends dimensions, or something... TerraFrost 00:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
With the Ori's technology so advanced, it makes sense that they either found a way to control arcturus without destoyring anohter universe, or have another enexplained power source. Tobyk777 01:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The Ori might have a found a different universe the particles are not dangerous to the people or the universe it self (the exotic particles obey the laws of physics in that universe)

Well I'm just going to throw it out there, that if the Ori where capable of recreating a similar technology to Project Arcturus, they would be unstopable...I mean they would be able to power their sheilds almost indefinitly and increase their firepower tenfold...look at what the weapon at Project Arcturus did when it exploded, it destroyed an entire solar system. I think instead that the power source of the Ori is just something that hasn't been encountered yet within the Milky Way Galaxy or Pegasus Galaxy.

[edit] Prior piloting

If an Ori ship is piloted via a control chair like Ancient tech is does that mean that priors have the Ancient gene, meaning that O'Neill or someone else with the gene could fly it or is it only pilotable by people with powers of a prior?

Faris b 20:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

There are many genes to choose from, and it is highly unlikely that the Ori chose the same one as (or one directly compatible with) the Alterans. The priors are tampered with so much, and they have telekinetic and other mental abilities, and piloting probably requires a number of those powers.

--Edgjerp 15:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Control chair

When SG-1 saw the control chair, they said it looked a lot like the Ancients' control chairs, and theorized that maybe only a Prior could use it. However, since they never tried it, that's still just a theory.

StaffanBaloo 23:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

we actually see Daniel pilot the ship when he gets turned into a Prior, so it's not just a theory. we also know that Sam has been able to access certian systems outside of the chair, but she was unable to gain complete access.

[edit] zpm or upgraded weapons?

in season 9s finale, the asgard weren't able to destory an ori mothership. in season 10s finale, asgard weapons were able to destroy one. in my opinion, this leaves two possibilities. the season 10 episode was enhanced by a zpm or (less likely) the weapons were upgraded. my latest (reverted) edit mentions both of these possibilities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ori_mothership&diff=163969453&oldid=163968034

but apparently it was reverted by people who think they WP:OWN the article.

i'm also not the only one who thinks that a zpm is a possibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ori_mothership&diff=159121086&oldid=158977100

i'm also not the only one who thinks the upgraded hypothesis story is implausible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ori_mothership&diff=158977100&oldid=158838038

despite my opinions about the upgraded weapons hypothesis, i still think they should be mentioned, since it seems to be a popular hypothesis. especially as i do not WP:OWN the article, either. but by no means should it be presented as the only one and i will continue to revert any edit that would suggest that there's only one possibility until either i get banned (if wikipedia is so hell bent on advancing one particular agenda, i want no part of wikipedia) or someone presents a good reason as to why i should. Intowagon 12:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Personal speculation is not acceptable, please see WP:NOR. Matthew 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
sorry. nice try. please play again. it's WP:OR to claim that "presumably the Asgard had upgraded their weapons" just as much as it's WP:OR to claim that "the increased power was possibly due to the ZPM". if you're going to delete my edits that mention both possibilities, delete any possibility as mentioning any possibility is WP:OR Intowagon 12:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
never mind - i didn't see your edit. i agree with your latest edit. it doesn't exclude one WP:OR violation in favor for another one. thank you Intowagon 13:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

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