Talk:Organizations in A Song of Ice and Fire

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[edit] Suggestions for this article

Here are some ideas for merging parts or all of some individual ASOIAF pages into this general page:

  • Currently we have "Wildlings" in the Night's Watch section, which doesn't seem very appropriate. If the wildlings section gets moved here, and we also remove the redudant section on the Others (who are already covered in Westeros, then the actual Night's Watch conent we have left is pretty small. It's mostly just character names and blurbs, which are already in the A-Z character page, and castle names. Perhaps we could strip away the fluff from Night's Watch, merge what's left here, and delete it altogether.
  • The Maesters of the Citadel article is pretty small, especially when ignoring the redundant character blurbs. The expand tag has been sitting there for a while, and I can't think of anything else to add. Perhaps that might be merged into the general article as well.
  • Vargo Hoat's importance basically begins and ends with The Brave Companions. I think his section can be removed from the Characters page and all his info worked into the Brave Companions section here.
  • The Faceless Men and the Unsullied could either be moved here or we could include links to them, and any other organization that doesn't get included here, like Across the narrow sea does for Ghis and the Free Cities, to make this a comprehensive list of all groups and organizations in ASOIAF. (If Unsullied isn't moved here, I think it should be moved to Ghis anyway.)
  • The Brotherhood Without Banners sould probably be moved here as well since they are a small background group of outlaws that do little in the actual story and are most likely winding down plot-wise since they lost thier leader and turned more dark. Also there isn't alot of info on the page to begin with.

If this article can encompass one or more articles we already have now, in addition to providing a space for smaller or difficultly placed groups (like the Greenseers), then I think its existence would be justified. -Captain Crawdad 04:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm in favour moving the Faceless Men and Unsullied here, as well as the Wildlings for lack of a better place. The Night's Watch might remain worthy of its own page, if perhaps with a little extra content. Vargo Hoat is indeed relatively insignificant as far as characters go. Not sure about the Maesters - there is good reason to assume they will become more important as the series goes on. By the way, do we have a section about the recently recreated religious knight orders somewhere? If not, that would probably belong here as well. Paul Willocx 15:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The militant orders get a passing reference in the Faiths section of Westeros, but that article seems too high-level to get too specific. I think the Seven section in Westeros should have a link here for the specifics of the militant orders. -Captain Crawdad 21:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that the Wildlings aren't an organization per se- it's mentioned several times that their king isn't hereditary, it's very hard to get them to ever work together, etc. They're also integral to understanding the purpose of the Night's Watch; the two belong with each other. Stilgar135 16:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
In general, I'd favor a looser definition of "organization" to determine what gets put here. That would ennable us to use this article as a space for distinct, identifiable groups that don't have a good place elsewhere, such as the greenseers. -Captain Crawdad 21:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
"Oraganizations and Major Groups"? Maybe "Factions" or "Independent Entities" etc? I like this page but I'm afraid of it getting to be too big and just ending up a convenient dumping ground without any real structure that aids the reader in navigation and finding what he is looking for. The less page jumping and scolling reader has to do the better. It is really easy to fall into the habit of looking at article construction from the angle of an editor that is familiar with the material and layout and not as the "searching reader" as we should be, I do it alot myself. NeoFreak 01:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
"I agree with Captain here using a loose definition of the term Organisations since there arn't really many in westeros and its so vauge on which ones would qualify. Also for groups like the Mountain Clans, and Wildlings and such we sould mention their smaller sub groups like the Long Spears and Burned Men with bullets. Also i changed the name from the general Mountain Clans which is also used to describe several houses in the North to Mountain clans of the Vale as per their location in the books. Cybroleach 20:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions

I've been trying to fill out the page with as many organizations as I can remember, as well as adding referring links to the major orgs that are in the template, as I feel it helps with navigation. Pejorative.majeure 22:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Rainbow Guard

I think that as an obvious derivative of the Kingsguard, the Rainbow Guard should be discussed on that page rather than here. A discussion of Dany's Queensguard would also be appropriate on that page. Brendan Moody 13:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, that makes sense, and it would help fill that article out a bit. -Captain Crawdad 20:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hadn't thought of that. If no one else gets to it, I'll put it up this evening. Pejorative.majeure 22:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a mention on the Kinsguard page with a wiki link to the main section here? NeoFreak 06:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)