Talk:Oresund Region
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[edit] Population density map
Added translation to the Population density map
--Red w 08:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Oresund"?
Is "Oresund" with an "O" really the official English name of this region, like the official English name of Göteborg is Gothenburg, or is it just written without diacritics, like "Jyvaskyla" for Jyväskylä? JIP | Talk 18:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if it's not the official name, then there is the problem of whether it should be spelled Öresund or Øresund. Both spellings are equally valid. Perhaps "Oresund" would have to be a simple, but awkward compromise. JIP | Talk 18:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- The English version of the official webpage spells it as "The Øresund Region" [1]. Väsk 19:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- The name was a polical decision, but it ended with "Øresund" after a study showed that foreigners thought that looked more exotic and interesting. 129.142.143.67 (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Urban Area
The article referes to an OECD-report, which states that the "Copenhagen-Malmö-axis is the biggest and the most densely populated urban area in Scandinavia with approximately 2 million inhabitants". First of all: It must be said in the article HOW OECD defines an urban area. According to Statistics Sweden and Statistics Denmark, an urban area is defined as a countuously built up area, where the maximum distance between residences is 200 meters. This means that according to the Danish and Swedish national definitions this cannot be one single urban area since the strait over oresund is several kilometers wide. The OECD-definition is indeed not the same. Suppose that we use the Scandinavian definition and just fusion the Copenhagen urban area (hovedstadsområdet) and the Malmö urban area, the population would just be 1.400.000 inhabitants - not even close to the 2 million figur mentioned. This made me suspect that they mean metropolitan area (i.e. not urban area). But the metropolitan area of Malmö-Copenhagen population is more closer (a little more than) 2,4 million rather than 2 million (1,8 m + 0,6 M). I have once seen another definition called "larger urban area", which is something inn between the urban area and metropolitan area. Is this, what OECD referes to? Maybe this should be checked up. Malmö and Copenhagen are indeed urban, but is it really a SINGLE urban area? The nordisk statistikbok states that the whole area of Scania, Sealand, Lolland, Falster, Møn and Bornholm is one single urban area (pop 3,6). This only reveal the fact that the authors don't know what an urban area is. Do the OECD authors know what an urban area is? If not: Should the source be cited at all? I don't think so. Nirro (talk) 17:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Is this a joke? Numbers presented by a "nordisk statistikbok" "only reveal the fact that the authors don't know what an urban area is. Do the OECD authors know what an urban area is? [...] I don't think so." He, he. That's really funny. Finally we have a the world's first real authority on this issue..and a Wikipedia user no less, teaching those dummies at OECD, UN and the Nordic Council.
- About the source cited: It is an OECD report written as a peer review by international experts (i.e. with expertise in urban studies and/or geography and urban economics), namely Peter Karl Kresl, Charles P. Vaughan Chair in Economics and Professor of International Relations at Bucknell University, visiting professor/researcher at McGill University, The University of Vermont, The Norwegian School of Economics and the Lund University, with a Ph.D. in economics and whose expertise includes urban competitiveness, culture polity and international economic policy, an author of many peer reviewed published articles in journals such as Urban Studies, International Organisation, The Journal of European Integration and Economía, Sociedad y Territorio, and of books with titles such as The Urban Economy and Regional Trade Liberalisation, The Urban Response to Internationalisation and The Cities Take Charge. Co-author of the source is Peter Vaessen, contract researcher at the Radboud University Nijmegen, with a doctoral degree in the field of Economic Geography. The peer review involves data put together for a regional self-evaluation report by a working group consisting of among others Gunnar Törnqvist, Professor, Department of Social and Economic Geography, Lund University, and Christian Wichmann Matthiessen, Professor, Department of Geography, University of Copenhagen. On what basis is the claim made that the authors of the OECD peer report and the professors in geography in the Oresund region can't be cited because they "don't know what an urban area is"? Lord have mercy! Sophiasghost (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- First of all... I did state that the authors didn't respect the common Danish-Swedish definition of an urban area. I also asked myself if they used another definition than the one used in Scandinavia.
- In Denmark and Sweden, an urban area is defined as an contimuously built up area where buildings aren't generally further apart than 200 meters. By this definition the axis Copenahgen-Malmo can never be regarded as a singel urban area since the Oresund strait is about 13 km broad between Malmo and Copenhagen. According to http://dst.dk and http://scb.se the urban area of Copenhagen (byområde) has about 1,145,000 inhabitant and Malmo (tätort) has some 275,000. Together this is 1,420,000 (I don't think they lie). We can draw the comclusion that OECD doesn't make use of the common Danish and Swedish definition of an urban area. There is a discrepancy between these figures and the official nordic figures presented by the scb and dst. Therefore, I suggest that the "nordisk statistikbok" shouldn't be used as a source (we cite a source that cite the facts we write). Instead it would be better to cite the OECD report instead. Hopefully this report explains their definition of an urban area. If this change of definition isn't explained many Scandinavian readers would be more than confused. Nirro (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
