Talk:Oregon State Penitentiary
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[edit] Nominees for notable inhabitants of 2605 state street.
My nominees include Jeannace June Freeman, the first and only woman to be on death row, and a second nomination goes to those who pulled off the last great train robbery,i.e. the Deautremont Brothers who botched an armed train robbery On October 11, 1923, but were not caught until 1927 after one of the countries most intensive manhunts in History.Rvannatta (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- The ones added are ones who have current Wikipedia articles and have the OSP mentioned in the article. There might be a few more former inmates with articles, as they do not always link or spell out where the convict is/was incarcerated. So if you can find articles for those people, add them in, or start an article for them. My personal preference is to keep the list like the lists for notable residents in a town where the consensus is inclusion is kept to those with existing Wikipedia articles. This helps to keep random entries from being added. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm doubtful that notorious crooks deserve much space in wikipedia, and have no problems with your guidlines. Jeannace June Freeman is mentioned in passing in a Wikipedia article, covering the place of her crime---Peter Skene Ogden State Scenic Viewpoint. As much as anything I was sort of wondering why the crooks who were mentioned were honored with 'bios'.
If getting a bio for being a crook is a 'can you top this' contest, it could be quite a contest.Rvannatta (talk) 19:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I went through the list of 10 listed 'notables' They consist of 5 serial killers, 2 historic outlaws, a stray murderer(Moore), a neo nazi (Krager), and an anarchist (Thaxton).
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IT looks like the Krager page is present becasuse the Bot looking for neo Nazi stuff missed it because the right key words for the Bot to find it weren't present, and the Thaxton page is flagged, and in my view should be removed. As for the serial killers, there seems to be a WIKI project to commerate them so I suppose nothing is to be said about their presence, and I have no issue with a few historic outlaws (The Deautremont Brothers would qualify as historic outlaws)--though they have no page, but as for Thaxton, Krager and Moore, the editorial redeeming value of their presence in Wiki escapes me.Rvannatta (talk) 19:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate any articles you don't think would pass the notability criteria at Afd. And "notable" doesn't mean they're good citizens and it certainly isn't a matter of "deserving" space or "honoring" them. Katr67 (talk) 04:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I do not personally endorse the inclusion (or exclusion) within Wikipedia of any of the articles linked. But if they exist, then they should be linked. Concerns about inclusion (notability) within Wikipedia of these people need to be addressed on those articles' talk pages. But as a general guideline, notability usually comes quite easily for serials killers since their crimes usually receive extensive media coverage and Ann Rule seems to write a book about everyone of them. Using the "covered in reliable sources" criteria helps to limit moral decisions and censorship, as well as the subjectiveness of notability (well I haven't heard of them so they are not notable). I may not like neo-Nazis, but for slippery slope reasons I think they should be included if they meet the WP:BIO guidelines, just like the beauty pageant winners. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- well, I'll grumble quietly, but its sort of in the class of having half a page about Oregon talking about Buddhists in Oregon, it can be misleading, though technically not inaccurate, because the historic expectations are that editorial control will keep a balanced perspective.Rvannatta (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- I do not personally endorse the inclusion (or exclusion) within Wikipedia of any of the articles linked. But if they exist, then they should be linked. Concerns about inclusion (notability) within Wikipedia of these people need to be addressed on those articles' talk pages. But as a general guideline, notability usually comes quite easily for serials killers since their crimes usually receive extensive media coverage and Ann Rule seems to write a book about everyone of them. Using the "covered in reliable sources" criteria helps to limit moral decisions and censorship, as well as the subjectiveness of notability (well I haven't heard of them so they are not notable). I may not like neo-Nazis, but for slippery slope reasons I think they should be included if they meet the WP:BIO guidelines, just like the beauty pageant winners. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
