Talk:Oregon Coast

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Contents 1 Comment 2 Discuss links here 3 page title 4 Expansion ideas 5 shipwrecks 6 images

[edit] Comment

Needs cleanup and expansion. I have created the subheadings that need to be filled in, but have not had as much time as I would like to work on it. Please help, especially with geography and ecology spaces. PDXblazers 23:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discuss links here

Editors regularly clean out undiscussed links from this article. Please discuss here if you want a link not to be cleaned out regularly. (You can help!) Katr67 04:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I plan to add a link to OSU Libraries' North Coast Explorer http://www.northcoastexplorer.info/ to the Oregon Coast site -- which I hope you will retain as it represents the on-going work of local watershed councils in this region.Averybo 18:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Bonnie Avery (OSU Libraries)

Well, the idea is to have a discussion about your link *before* you add it. But since this looks like a valuable link, it can stay. The idea is to keep out the commercial tourism links. As I pointed out on your talkpage, however, adding links to the top of the list is bad form, OK? Katr67 18:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I own a web site covering tourism on the Oregon Coast and would think it could be a valuable addition. Is there a chance of getting it added to the page? The link is http://www.romantic-oregon-coast.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chawman69 (talk • contribs) 2007-05-02T19:48:56 (UTC)

Read WP:EL and WP:SPAM (the latter is due to your addition of this link). If you still feel your link deserves adding, explain how it benefits the article and doesn't violate either guideline. —EncMstr 20:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to say "no" because I've removed too much of your linkspam, so I'm already biased against you. Hopefully someone more neutral will chime in. Thanks for asking this time. Also, you may have better luck over at Wikitravel, where I believe you can add links to your heart's content. Katr67 20:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Reading over the links EncMstr provided, and preparing a case based on them, will definitely help you understand the guidelines around such additions. But in my view, the page in question is not even close to meeting the standard for inclusion – and I doubt any case you make will change that view. But I appreciate your seeking input, and if you make the effort, I will listen. -Pete 20:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm adding Gallery of Historic Photos, which I feel has encyclopedic value. Northwesterner1 (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] page title

Shouldn't it be "Oregon coast" - lower case? -Pete 22:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've always kinda wondered about that myself. But if it's a geographic region, I think the uppercase is OK. I can check AP, MLA and/or Chicago if you want me to geek out over it... Katr67 23:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Methinks I've relied too heavily on your powers of geekery today, and should quit while I'm ahead. I created a redirect, which addresses most of the problem - beyond that, I'd say it's up to you =) Thanks especially for tracking down cites on the economy stuff, that was darn good of you. -Pete 23:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I finally checked around. I looked at Chicago and was still unsure. The Wikipedia MOS says (in regards to editing in general, not to article titles): "If you are not sure whether a region has attained proper-noun status, assume it has not." Well, I'm not sure.

I also searched through several online style guides and have concluded that I'm still unsure. Here's what they're saying:

• George Fox University:

Oregon coast

This subregion does not qualify for the capitalization a larger, national region does.

• Portland State University:

Capitalize when referring to specific and well-recognized geographic regions or to a particular region's culture, people, or history.

"Andy is going to the Oregon Coast this weekend."

The general consensus seems to be that smaller, less important regions are not capitalized and larger, more important ones are. Well, in Oregon, everyone knows what the Oregon Coast is and it is very important to us, so we capitalize it. Now, someone over in Maine may not realize just how important the Oregon Coast is to us. To them, it's just the Oregon coast. Unless the coast has the same level of national recognition that say, the Outer Banks do, (the first example I pulled out of my head--I've never been there, but it's a geographic region on the opposite coast that I've heard of. Would Oregon Coast have the same effect on a person from NC?) I'd say lowercase it. On the other hand, Wikipedia does tend to encourage local usage over official title so in that instance, uppercase wins out. Right now there are very few redirects from "Oregon coast" though that is probably an artifact of people eliminating redirects and I can run a find and replace using AWB if we decide to move it. Katr67 06:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion ideas

Some ideas for expansion. On my display, a whole lot more text is needed to adequately fill out all those gorgeous photos.

Ecology

expand on marine animals, marine plant life, intertidal life, shore animals and plants. Also something about the land itself: rocks, sand, stone

Beaches

how many? How many acres? Driving on the beach (most non-locals surprised it isn't usually done).

Weather

winter storms, weather extremes, strongest wind gusts(?)

Water

temperature, current, tidal limits, rip currents, undertow

Dangers

perhaps mention the fishing charter that sank in 2006(?) and drowned several folks? Mention the boys rescued last week, etc.

Tourism

how bad is the traffic really? Where do the tourists go? Typical ma & pa accommodation. State Parks. Whale watching & only one whaling wall. Oregon Coast Trail ought to be mentioned.

—EncMstr 01:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] shipwrecks

I"ve been interested that 'shipwrecks' haven't made it. I seems to me there is a separate section whichh include oregon coastal shipwrecks, and I recently took a photograph or two of the now exposed shipwreck Bella at Florence, interesting because it was built in the Siuslaw River near Florence and met its end on the 'south jetty'Rvannatta (talk) 05:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Upload away, I'd love to see that. A new section would be very welcome as far as I'm concerned. Also, if you're not aware of it, check out Steamboats of the Oregon Coast. -Pete (talk) 06:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a category entitled Shipwrecks of the Oregon coast that has pages for the New Carissa and the Peter Iredale but apparently none of the other numerous wreckages. Many have sort of been in the news this winter because extensive beach erosion has exposed them.Rvannatta (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] images

I rearranged the images in the article and kept only the ones that directly illustrated the content. I'm moving the others here for reference, in case others feel that they belong in the article (or in case more content is created to suit them). Northwesterner1 (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)