Talk:Ordnungspolizei

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There is a mistake in the last part ("Legacy ...") of this article. The Landespolizei is by no means the federal police of Germany. The Landespolizeien are the police forces of each Bundesland and therefore more like a State Police in the US. Currently there is no "federal police" in Germany. The closest things are probably the Bundeskriminalamt (FBI like federal criminal investigation office), the Bundesgrenzschutz (the federal border protection service) or the Zoll (German customs service, that also investigates some federal tax issues). I'm a little unsure about the best way to re-write this section of the article. Maybe someone with more expertise on this subject could do it...

[edit] Schutzpolizei

The link from the article on the Landespolizei to the Schutzpolizei links to the Ordnungspolizei. Since this last body was an organ of the Nazi state and clearly the current Schupos have no connection to this there is a need to ceate a current article on the Schupos. Ozdaren 14:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grüne Polizei (Green Police)

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Do you've some sources? The police still ist green in Germany (It is changing to blue because of internationalisation) --Athalis 16:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The same old myhs yet again

In 1936 Himmler was appointed "Chief of the German Police in the Ministry of the Interior" not simply "Chief of the German Police". This a crucial distinction, for the powers vested in Himmler's new office were exactly those previously exercised in police matters by the Ministry of the Interior under Wilhelm Frick. Himmler was wont to ommit the "in the Ministry of the Interior" in corespondence, but his powers remained the same, weather he liked it or not. There was never any intention to centralise operational control over the police, and Himmler was never authorised to issue orders to the uniformed police. The SS gained authority over the training academies and the power to determine service regulations. Command authority and power of appointment over the non-Gestapo police remained firmly and unchallengably in the hands of the so called "Bearers of Sovreignty", namely gauleiters kreisleiters and later sub-kreiseleiters. In the occupied territories it was exercised by kommisars or governors. Only in the absence of a civilian administration or in emergencies was the SS given control over police forces when a civilian administration was in place, with the sole exeption of von dem Bach Zelewski's anti-partisan command. When Germany occupied new territories the military often relinquished control to a putative civilian administration before that administration had materialised except on paper. The most extreme example being the formal ransfer of most of the occupied Soviet territories to a civilian administration in July, though this administration only came into being in October and in some areas November. The result was a power vaccume which the SS would fill with its HSSPFs and SSPFs chain of command. However once a fully rammified civilian administration was in place this chain of command was displaced by it. The SS did not always give up authority without a fight but ultimately it could not win. If we are to understand the regretable phenomenon of Nazism, then the myth of the small but mighty SS weilding great powers of coercion over other bodies, notably the police, must be done a way with. The SS makes a nice alibi for German mass criminality during the Nazi era but ultimately it is a false alibi.

Myths piled on myths - no mention of Christopher Browning or Unit 101, etc. This whole story of great masses of psycho Germans mass murdering people and leaving no evidence behind is getting tiresome. I have worked in a mental institution and psychos always leave evidence. Their ability to differentiate reality from dream is gone - out of this many police you would have a few psychos - even if they weren't all psychos - and they would have body parts, etc in their refrigerators, etc. 159.105.80.141 19:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I added a link to Further Reading and Browning's book. Mcrawley (talk) 05:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)