Talk:Ordnung

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[edit] All right then

I say this page should be added to and made [into] a full article! How exciting! Unfortunately I know almost nothing about the Amish. In any case, the wording at present is less than great. Russia Moore 23:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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This article should be kept as a separate item from the Amish article. I agree with the above user. Personally, I'm not good at presenting this selection into good wording. I would like to see someone re-structure this item into a better edited piece.Rabbit Runner 14:04, 20 April, 2007

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Understanding the Ordnung is vital to understanding the Amish. The two articles should be merged!!!

(Alexander Seymour - author of Beyond the International Gilded Age) Summer '07

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I'm willing to consider the possibility of merging this topic with the Amish article provided that a topic header be left under this title and points to the section of the Ordnung where this article is merged with the Amish.Rabbit Runner —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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I'll take a stab at some editing. I've been doing related research lately. If this article is expanded to discuss the Dortrecht and Schleitheim Confessions and how they have influenced Ordnung then I think it might have details beyond what would be appropriate just in the general Amish article. Owlmonkey 09:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks JonHarder, for that edit. I'm not versed in formatting or editing informational data. Rabbit Runner - Those who dance, appear insane to those who do not hear the music. (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Owlmonkey

I've done a bit of checking on the Dordrecht and Schleitheim Confessions and I question whether they would be part of, or relate to, the Amish Ordnung. The Ordnung is not a system of their beliefs, but rather a means or method to order the Amish way of living. From my understanding, their beliefs are not included in the Ordnung. Rabbit Runner Those who dance, appear insane to those who do not hear the music. (talk) 02:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Interesting perspective. Thank you for adding that comment. I did find one scholar who felt that the confessions greatly influenced the ordnung but i haven't had time yet to do more research and frame it. I think the point was not that the Ornung is an implementation of the belief systems from the confessions but the confessions laid a foundation that the ornung is consistent with and possibly that a social system like the ornung or aspects of it were supported by or made possible by the declarations of the confessions. But perhaps that's really too specific, it's trying to draw a line from the culture to the beliefs but doing so specifically by going to the confessions as the source of the culture and ignoring that the ornung might have developed organically in any community independent of the beliefs. Whenever I get back to that research I'll keep that in mind and see if there's something specific and useful that might be worth adding - but I'll be careful not to draw any wide and erroneous conclusions. Thanks for the caution. - Owlmonkey (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)